The face of a new Europe, and a new EU

[Estro Felino]

I believe in a new Europe.
Many of us Europeans do. Where nations and borders are defended, and where some Sorosian associations are not allowed to interfere with the democratically elected institutions of the EU.
Plutocracy and technocracy do not belong in democratic, secular and souverainist Europe.

The truth has been exposed:

In Brussels, announced withdrawal of Soros Foundation leaves NGOs reeling

Every year, the Soros Foundation provides over €186 million in funding to a myriad of NGOs in the European Union. The position this private institution occupies in support of civil society is almost unique.

www.lemonde.fr

There will be European Parliamentary elections, and I guess people are sick and tired of the Sorosian framework imposing their pro-invasion agenda.
Since Europe is being invaded by illegals...

We also found out that the German Left uses German taxpayers' money to fund the NGOs, often promoting illegal immigration, by pushing these illegals to depart from Africa...I guess the European left-wing has been exposed.

 

[Estro Felino]

AfD is growing because of what the German Left have been doing...
as we can see here.

There are so many poor people in Germany...but the Left wants to spend 8 million euros to fund the Sorosian fleet and to ferry illegals to Europe.

Germany has 80 million inhabitants in a very, very, very tiny country.
Which is densely populated, especially along the Rhine.

Europe is a small continent...with so many problems already. The lounge-loving and carefree Left keeps working against the Europeans' welfare.

 

[Debater Slayer]

There will be European Parliamentary elections, and I guess people are sick and tired of the Sorosian framework imposing their pro-invasion agenda.
Since Europe is being invaded by illegals...

So Putin's invasion that violates international law is fine and intended to "denazify" Ukraine, but refugees and asylum seekers who apply (or plan to apply) for asylum in accordance with European law are "invaders" and "illegals." Putin's funding of separatists in Ukraine is okay, but Soros' donations to NGOs are part of the boogeyman called the "Sorosian framework."

And to top it off, there's the usual attempt to speak for others.

My response to this thread in a nutshell:

 

[Estro Felino]

So Putin's invasion that violates international law is fine and intended to "denazify" Ukraine, but refugees and asylum seekers who apply (or plan to apply) for asylum in accordance with European law are "invaders" and "illegals." Putin's funding of separatists in Ukraine is okay, but Soros' donations to NGOs are part of the boogeyman called the "Sorosian framework."

And to top it off, there's the usual attempt to speak for others.

My response to this thread in a nutshell:

I would like repliers to stay on topic.
Thank you.

 

[Estro Felino]

So Putin's invasion that violates international law is fine and intended to "denazify" Ukraine, but refugees and asylum seekers who apply (or plan to apply) for asylum in accordance with European laws

A refugee applies for asylum in their own country of origin, going to the embassy of the European country of their preference.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I would like repliers to stay on topic.
Thank you.

The thread topic is the usual demonization of African refugees and the invoking of the Soros boogeyman and conspiracy theories around him. That warrants the response I just gave it where I pointed out the marked inconsistency and the inaccuracy of the attempt to speak for other Europeans.

 

[Estro Felino]

The thread topic is the usual demonization of African refugees

No. Refugees are welcomed.
It's about illegals. Re-read the OP.

and the invoking of the Soros boogeyman and conspiracy theories around him.

He does everything aboveboard. So it's not a theory.

That warrants the response I just gave it where I pointed out the marked inconsistency and the inaccuracy of the attempt to speak for other Europeans.

It's just my personal opinion. I speak for the Europeans who agree with me.

 

[ChristineM]

I would like repliers to stay on topic.
Thank you.

He did and identied the topics he was talking about. Just because people do not agree with you does not mean they are off topic

 

[Debater Slayer]

A refugee applies for asylum in their own country of origin, going to the embassy of the European country of their preference.

They often have to be in an EU country before applying for asylum. Even when they have the option to apply at an embassy (which can be unsafe), the EU still allows them to apply for asylum as soon as they reach an EU country:

Asylum or return​

All refugees entering the EU may apply for asylum. They must do this in the country where they enter the EU. Asylum seekers who do not require protection must return to their country of origin or to a safe third country. The EU respects the human rights of refugees, both when dealing with their applications and with regard to return.

Tackling the refugee problem

The Netherlands is working with the other European Union (EU) member states to resolve the refugee problem.

www.government.nl

 

[Estro Felino]

He did and identied the topics he was talking about. Just because people do not agree with you does not mean they are off topic

I would like to understand the causal link between Putin and Soros.

 

[Estro Felino]

They often have to be in a country before applying for asylum. Even when they have the option to apply at an embassy (which can be unsafe), the EU still allows them to apply for asylum as soon as they reach an EU country:

Tackling the refugee problem

The Netherlands is working with the other European Union (EU) member states to resolve the refugee problem.

www.government.nl

They are supposed to arrive in Europe legally, though. With documents.

 

[ChristineM]

I would like to understand the casual link between Putin and Soros.

I'm sure you would. Both are wealthy but Soros does not go around invading other countries.

And I f course, it was you who introduced Soros

 

[ChristineM]

They are supposed to arrive in Europe legally, though. With documents.

Are they? How does a political refugee from a dictatorial country and in fear of their life apply for documentation?

How does a refugee fleeing a war torn devistared country and in fear of their life apply for documentation?

This is the reason EU law is written as it is.

 

[Debater Slayer]

No. Refugees are welcomed.
It's about illegals. Re-read the OP.

A lot of refugees are initially "illegals" because they have no way of obtaining or affording a visa and travel ticket to the EU. However, their asylum applications are still processed through the EU's legal process even if they arrive without a visa.

EU rules make sure that victims of trafficking have access to assistance, including the possibility of a temporary residence in the EU when they cooperate with law enforcement authorities or, for those Member States who foresee it, irrespective of their cooperation. The EU also monitors the implementation of the Employers Sanctions DirectiveEN•••, making sure that employers who employ irregular migrants are appropriately sanctioned, and that the irregular migrants can exercise their rights to claim back wages and social contributions.

Irregular migration and return

The EU coordinates efforts to prevent migrant smuggling and develops a common policy on return and readmission for people cannot legally stay in the EU.

home-affairs.ec.europa.eu

He does everything aboveboard. So it's not a theory.

He donates to NGOs. That doesn't validate the claims you keep making about his activities, such as attributing wars to his "framework."

It's just my personal opinion. I speak for the Europeans who agree with me.

I'm glad your views aren't more popular.

 

[Estro Felino]

A lot of refugees are initially "illegals" because they have no way of obtaining or affording a visa and travel ticket to the EU. However, their asylum applications are still processed through the EU's legal process even if they arrive without a visa.

Undocumented people are called illegals, especially if they deliberately destroyed their own documents.
I haven't understood yet how many illegals Europe is supposed to welcome.
The exact number. 20 million Africans? 200 million?

Europe is a small continent...so the best thing to do is to spend money on helping those countries.
The money is there.
The IMF and the World Bank have it.

 

[Estro Felino]

He donates to NGOs. That doesn't validate the claims you keep making about his activities, such as attributing wars to his "framework."

The NGOs funded by him, ferry these illegals to Europe.

No wonder in Europe some people are ashamed of saying they support Soros.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Undocumented people are called illegals, especially if they deliberately destroyed their own documents.
I haven't understood yet how many illegals Europe is supposed to welcome.
The exact number. 20 million Africans? 200 million?

That's for Europe to decide, and not all countries will have similar intake. Germany and Sweden have taken in far more non-European refugees than Hungary and Poland have.

Undocumented people who apply for asylum are called asylum seekers in the link I shared earlier, which is from the Dutch government.

Europe is a small continent...so the best thing to do is to spend money on helping those countries.
The money is there.
The IMF and the World Bank have it.

A good start would be for fascists and imperialists to leave other countries alone and stop disrupting their lives.

 

[Estro Felino]

That's for Europe to decide, and not all countries will have similar intake. Germany and Sweden have taken in far more non-European refugees than Hungary and Poland have.

I would like to know the limit-number of migrants.

Undocumented people who apply for asylum are called asylum seekers in the link I shared earlier, which is from the Dutch government.

It is called irregular migration through smuggling. EU law

Irregular migration and return

The EU coordinates efforts to prevent migrant smuggling and develops a common policy on return and readmission for people cannot legally stay in the EU.

home-affairs.ec.europa.eu

A good start would be for fascists and imperialists to leave other countries alone and stop disrupting their lives.

I perfectly agree.
There are financial and banking dynasties who steal resources from Africa. And it's time they are chased away as they did in Niger.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I would like to know the limit-number of migrants.

You will have to ask the government of the country whose numbers you're wondering about.

It is called irregular migration through smuggling. EU law

Irregular migration and return

The EU coordinates efforts to prevent migrant smuggling and develops a common policy on return and readmission for people cannot legally stay in the EU.

home-affairs.ec.europa.eu

"Irregular migrants" is still quite different from "illegals." Neither link uses your designation, and I think it's obvious why they don't: it's not a description that a respectable government uses for people who apply for asylum per its own laws.

I perfectly agree.
There are financial and banking dynasties who steals resources from Africa. And it's time they are chased away as they did in Niger.

More conspiracy theories about "financial and banking dynasties," with no evidence to back up such claims.

It's age-old geopolitics and advancement of some countries' interests at the expense of others'. Nothing arcane or mysterious about it.

As for Niger, the junta used anti-imperialist sentiments as a pretense for seizing power, but I'm betting that they will be just as corrupt and oppressive as their predecessors, if not more so.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I find this thread to be a pleasant breath of fresh air. It is nice to see that the US is not the only country with irrational racists. Change the EU to the US and Africa to Mexico and we have the exact same arguments that I am too used to.