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The EU is a bankers' dictatorship founded upon Seigniorage

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Finally the EU has taken off its mask...les jeux sont faits

Bruxelles imposed to the President of the Italian Republic (who has the exact same power as the Queen in UK) to overthrow the Government, by violating the Constitution and to nominate as Prime Minister a Freemason from the IMF. A Slave of Bruxelles.
It's a coup d'état wanted by the European Commission. First time in history of my country.

Has the Queen of England ever refused to nominate a PM legitimately elected?

It's useless to vote...they will never allow a anti-EU government in Bruxelles.

 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Ah, there's Farage, I wondered what happened to him. Sponsored by the US and Russia who couldn't wait for the end of the EU.

The EU has many problems but no EU creates more problems and plays into the hands of Russia, US, China, etc. who see the EU as a threat to their power bases.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Ah, there's Farage, I wondered what happened to him. Sponsored by the US and Russia who couldn't wait for the end of the EU.

The EU has many problems but no EU creates more problems and plays into the hands of Russia, US, China, etc. who see the EU as a threat to their power bases.

Why do you care about the end of the EU? ;)
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Why do you care about the end of the EU? ;)
The world is dividing into power blocks...Russia, China, US, India, etc.
The UK or Italy cannot compete but the EU can. Why do you think Russia, China, Trump, etc. were so pro Brexit and why do you think the popularist parties in your country and for leaving the EU. It plays into Russia, China, US's hands.
 

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
The world is dividing into power blocks...Russia, China, US, India, etc.
The UK or Italy cannot compete but the EU can. Why do you think Russia, China, Trump, etc. were so pro Brexit and why do you think the popularist parties in your country and for leaving the EU. It plays into Russia, China, US's hands.
Ha haha ha-a.

Russia' and China? Both?

Haha

Ha
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
What is this?
This is a banknote produced by forgers. The forgers are called ECB.
Only a sovereign state has the juridical legitimization to print money.
On the basis of the country's GDP
An entity other than the State who prints money, is called forger

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Heyo

Veteran Member
The EU has many problems but no EU creates more problems
Exactly. The question is whether the EU can keep on doing business as usual and people still believe in the benefits of the Union. It recently failed in Britain. (Note that it isn't important whether the cost/benefit calculations people do are correct but if they believe they are true.) The EU has to work on the problems or people will stop believing.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Exactly. The question is whether the EU can keep on doing business as usual and people still believe in the benefits of the Union. It recently failed in Britain. (Note that it isn't important whether the cost/benefit calculations people do are correct but if they believe they are true.) The EU has to work on the problems or people will stop believing.
Since the European Commission is hopelessly devoted to certain banking élites, I believe it will be very difficult.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Thankfully, national governments are famously unbeholden to any kind of capitalist influence!
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Thankfully, national governments are famously unbeholden to any kind of capitalist influence!
It does not deal with Capitalism.
Capitalists produce goods and service.
Here we are dealing with banking groups who issue money through the ECB, applying legalized usury towards the same States.
So States are the victim here.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
It does not deal with Capitalism.
Capitalists produce goods and service.
Here we are dealing with banking groups who issue money through the ECB, applying legalized usury towards the same States.
So States are the victim here.
Capitalism requires banking - it is the primary source for investment capital, which in turn is required to create industrial production facilities in the first place. Industrial production in a capitalist society would be impossible without the kind of capital that banks can acquire, and banks are the traditional way to acquire capital needed to establish industrialized production.

What you are falling prey to here is the classic national-fascist ploy of separating "good" capital from "bad" capital, as if directly exploiting industrial labor was somehow more virtuous or moral.

In truth, Italian manufacturers are exploiting foreign workers to a degree that should turn a decent human's stomach for the kind of horrid conditions those people are subjected to, and are actively profiting from these people's lack of rights within your country, a lack of rights that is the direct effect of the kind of nationalist-xenophobic rhetoric which can be found most frequently among the "EU skeptic" nationalist parties of Europe.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
It does not deal with Capitalism.
Capitalists produce goods and service.
Here we are dealing with banking groups who issue money through the ECB, applying legalized usury towards the same States.
So States are the victim here.
Banks are an important method by which capital is acquired to create industrial production facilities; without such capital-gathering institutions, industrialization would be close to impossible in a modern capitalist economy. What you call "legalized usury" is in fact the primary means by which banks can remain in business, and the primary motivator for industries to remain competitive and thus profitable.

You are falling prey to the classic corporatist ploy of separating "good" capital from "bad" capital - as if the direct exploitation of labor at the hands of industry-owning capitalists was somehow more virtuous and moral than owning the capital that faciliates this exploitation of labor in the first place. This ploy is one that was first pushed by industrial capitalists, and is almost always a self-serving one - a method to mask their own exploitation in favor of an easily-demonized "outsider" enemy. But fact is that they are all cogs in the same machine.

Talking about Italian producers specifically, I cannot help but point out the blatant exploitation of foreign workers at the hands of these supposedly virtuous, moral, "productive" industrial and agricultural facilities, where people are working under conditions that should turn every decent human being's stomach.

Blaming "international banking" for this would be both facile and a tad disingenuous, in my opinion, since nothing but their own drive for ever greater profits is driving Italian capitalists to exploit labor to such a staggering degree.

The state - and here, in particular, the xenophobic-nationalist movements that drive the exploitation of these foreigners the hardest, via their policies of inequal rights and unfair treatment for foreigners - is very much complicit in this, and we can see this every time people start protesting these conditions, only to be brutally put down by organized state violence in the form of tear gas, water cannons, and police batons.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Sorry for the double post, I accidentally misclicked and thought the system had failed to send the first one.

I realize that I worded them slightly differently, so feel free to take whatever you want from either of them.

Ah well.
 
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