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The Definition Of "libertarian"
- Thread starter Revoltingest
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A lot of people, especially in the US, have a hard time differentiating between voluntary socialism, which is what libertarian socialists advocate, and the state socialism as seen in the USSR and China.
I don't even believe in "true".
But I do argue based upon commonly accepted definitions.
Does "survival" necessitate the prohibition of an employer
& a worker voluntarily bargaining their relationship?
If Badran (staff guy) is correct, then US usage would prevail.
Consider how the media use the term "libertarian".
When I hear it on NPR, or see it in the domestic news, I take notice.
(It's cuz I'm hyper-sensitive to the term...you know being a fire breathing
card carrying member of the party.) It unfailingly refers to the lunatic
fringe which advocates both social & economic liberty (liberty in the
sense of lack of gov infringement upon the individual). When Diane Rehm
(leftish NPR talk host) wants the libertarian perspective, she invites the
Cato Institute...never anyone advocating socialist impositions.
The trouble we have here is that we see every definition under the sun
to define political & economic groups, mixing both Americastanian &
Europestanian definitions. Our new definitions are unclear, & I argue
overly inclusive.
We're few in number, but feisty on the rare occasions we assemble.
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Alceste
Vagabond
I have noticed that myself. Perhaps it's the consequence of a whole generation of anti-Soviet propaganda and histrionics during the cold war. Can't be easy for Americans to shake the spectre of the "evil communist" after all that indoctrination.
When some one other then you controlls production, food and land. Nothing about your association is free.
Alceste
Vagabond
Libertarian socialists do not advocate prohibiting any form of free association. We just reject the capitalist paradigm for ourselves and others of like mind.
Alceste
Vagabond
Rev scared me off before by refusing to believe there is any such thing as libertarian socialism. The new definitions emboldened me to return.
I never scare anyone.Rev scared me off before by refusing to believe there is any such thing as libertarian socialism. The new definitions emboldened me to return.
But some people can become frightened.
Alceste
Vagabond
Alceste
Vagabond
Yeah, he ignored all my posts to the same effect as well. It's hard work pretending there's no such thing as anarchosocialism.
Let's consider measures of membership.
Political Compass
It's popular here on RF. It has "left libertarian" & "right libertarian".
But it's arguably European in origin.
Ref:
Political compass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Nolan Chart
It's unpopular here. (I might be its only fan.)
A variant of it is used in the World's Smallest Political Quiz.
It's Americastanian in origin. Note that there is only "libertarian", ie, no left or right flavors.
This usage reflects both the Americastanian Libertarian Party & the Canuckistanian Libertarian Party.
I argue that this is more consistent with the stated RF standard of US usage.
Political Compass
It's popular here on RF. It has "left libertarian" & "right libertarian".
But it's arguably European in origin.
Ref:
Political compass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Nolan Chart
It's unpopular here. (I might be its only fan.)
A variant of it is used in the World's Smallest Political Quiz.
It's Americastanian in origin. Note that there is only "libertarian", ie, no left or right flavors.
This usage reflects both the Americastanian Libertarian Party & the Canuckistanian Libertarian Party.
I argue that this is more consistent with the stated RF standard of US usage.
Not quite....my plate is full, & you are dessert.
(I'm transplanting seedlings, watching TV, eating, posting here & posting there.)
So stop complaining that I'm not answering all your posts fast enuf...poopy brain!
This one looked like a joke...
I can't help how you feel, except to say that you should examine all
your choices, & make the best ones in your interest.
Sometimes we have very limited choices though....IRS audits don't
let me select the agent. Although...I became friendly with one once.
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This is another example of your dishonesty, since I've openly advocatedYeah, he ignored all my posts to the same effect as well. It's hard work pretending there's no such thing as anarchosocialism.
anarchosocialism, which is based entirely on voluntary relationships.
While you might be a fan of it too, as a member of the socialist forum,
you have advocated government imposition.....not very libertarian.
It seems you use a different definition of "free".
Freedom isn't about being guaranteed necessities, eg, food, housing, phones.
It's about your liberty to start a company, work for whom you want, hire
whom you want, worship any god/pasta you want, marry whomever you
want, etc. That other people own things does not infringe upon this.
I agree, that seems to be the disconnect.
Did you like how I called you "dessert"?
I thought that metaphor was frubalworthy.
Give it up, man!
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
...to own a slave if you want.