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The Colonisation of the Americas Lead to the Little Ice Age

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Lichtgeschwindigkeit_, Feb 12, 2019 at 8:09 AM.

  1. Lichtgeschwindigkeit_

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    American colonisation killed so many people it triggered climate change, study suggests

    I remember back in the Late 70's, there was a show called "Connections" made by British science historian James Burke. This was somewhat of a precursor to "Guns, Germs, and Steel" but it essentially made the argument that history and scientific development is more or less governed by a series of butterfly effects.

    I suppose that this is one of these butterfly effects. In essence, the drive to colonize the Americas (and the subsequent wars, disease and genocide) killed so many people that forests started to regrow across the Western Hemisphere. As a result, the Medieval Warm Period ended, and the Little Ice Age began. This had far-reaching effects even as far as China. In China, it lead to a lower crop yield, which, coupled with the Ming's decision to introduce paper money as a means of exchange, lead to an economic collapse of the Dynasty.
     
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    Cool bit-- very informative. Too short for my liking, though.
     
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    The collapse of Chinese currency happened repeatedly.

    The climate change due to etc sounds pretty silly, to me.
     
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    I too am skeptical of this little-ice-age theory.
    One problem with it...
    We've had bigger ice ages come & go, with far fewer humans on the planet.
    This strongly suggests that there is great natural variation, far more so than
    is claimed in this theory. There are other problems too.
     
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    Woberts The Perfumed Seneschal

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    Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
    Going from history, when the chinse currency collapses it's usually because someone killed the emperor and now there's 6 different Chinas.
     
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    Pretty much. Hence the popularity of silver coins.
     
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    I've read that cores of lakes / bogs in upper midwestern
    American states etc show the vegetation as it changed since the ice retreated.

    There have been a lot of fluctuations sin the last 12k yers or so.

    Mixed hardwood forest, well above the great lakes,
    boreal forest down into Tennessee.

    None of which is to say that people are not capable of
    and in the process of doing immense harm to the
    world ecosystems.
     
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    Aye, small pre-industrial (even pre-widespread-agricultural) changes in one
    pre-country seem insignificant compared to world wide major climate change.
     
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    I saw the headline and did not bother to read the
    article when it came out.

    Sounds absurd on the face of it, and "study suggests"
    is what they say about the latest diet pills.

    Anyway, I assumed it was just more of the current
    thing about WPIB(EM), and all problems trace
    back to them as promoted by the WGIC.
     
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    Reading it didn't offer much.
    If the author applied any rigor, I didn't see it.
     
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    You know those acronyms?
     
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    I know how to google.
     
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    And what did you find?
     
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    Good reasons to not waste more time on that article.
     
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    Sigh. Must I teach you your own culture???

    WPIB(EM)= White People Is Bad. (Especially Men)

    WGIC= White Guilt Industrial Complex
     
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    I never learned me much culture.
    Tis disgusting that there are white folk who feel guilt for
    being white, men who feel guilty for being men, & all the
    other self hating types out there.
     
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    Sometimes I hate myself, but not, at least,
    for those grim and unnatural crimes against
    the planet.
     
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    Revoltingest Ignorant Heathen Libertarian Capitalist
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    Because you are wise, if you hate yourself,
    I assume that you've good reason to do so.
     
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    I do not think I am wise, at all.
    But doe not everyone hate themselves,
    sometimes?
     
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    Not only wise, but modest too!

    I think highly of myself all the time.
    Just look at me....how could I not?
     
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