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I've heard a lot of negative things about them.
Do we have any teachers on this forum? What are the pros and cons of the unions, because I've heard a lot of negative things about them.
Wow. Thanks for the conversation doppelganger. Apparently, I only started a discussion thread because I only wanted to hear what I wanted to hear. Geez.doppelgänger;1063817 said:I suspect that's all you wanted to hear.
Nope. I meant "geez". That's how I've always spelled it. I'm pretty sure "gee" is pronounced that way too.Surely you mean "Jeez."
Jeez.
Wow. Thanks for the conversation doppelganger. Apparently, I only started a discussion thread because I only wanted to hear what I wanted to hear. Geez.
You have no idea how many things I'm not allowed to say on this thread...doppelgänger;1063835 said:Correct. I also think it is highly probable that prior to this thread, you have selectively only given fair consideration to those things that align with an opinion on the subject that you already have.
Prove me wrong if you want . . . What is your opinion of the overall value of teachers' unions, tomspug?
You have no idea how many things I'm not allowed to say on this thread...
I DON'T have an opinion on teacher's unions yet! That's why I'm creating this thread.
My wife is a teacher, and we love the unions. She's a member of two I think (a state and a nationwide). They protect her from stupid lawsuits and bad employers. She has access to a lawyer for questions at any time, which is fabulous. She had a boss last year that was absolutely evil, spending money illegally, mistreating staff, and etc. Her lawyer was a godsend last year and helped make a huge *positive* difference in the lives of many teachers and students. Our total cost was $35 for continual legal advice for a year, and representation in Austin. Fabulous.
doppelgänger;1063849 said:Teachers' unions are incredibly valuable. They provide more access to power for a group whose value to our future is way out of proportion to the amount of respect they receive.
Congratulations! You've lost all the credibility I thought you had.doppelgänger;1063843 said:Sorry, not buying it. Given your comment this morning about the education system producing "increasingly incompetent" kids in the same sentence that you suggest you don't want to improve it, combined with your extremist approach to Christianity, it's pretty likely, in my opinion, that you oppose all public education. I think it's very likely, in turn, that the root of that disdain is that public schools continue to successfully resist your desires to see your particular religious creeds taught to other peoples' children.
That's my opinion . . . :yes:
Great. So it's clear then that teacher's unions are incredibly valuable. It's nice to know, because my wife is considering teaching (*glances at doppelganger*). Education is a very important issue to me too, because I'm going to have kids in a few years (maybe). Unlike what SOME people think, asking questions about teacher's unions doesn't mean I want to destroy them.My wife's lawyer actually came to Ft Worth from Austin to meet with the district's super-intendent, who agreed only to talk with him under threat of lawsuit AND release of illegal activities to the media. If we had no help, a school would have an incompentent principle indefinately due to the corruption of certain officials.
I'm alright with that, tomspug. Don't you want a world in clear terms of "black and white"? What's wrong with that? I'm feeling a little pugilistic today.Congratulations! You've lost all the credibility I thought you had.
There's the danger of the state legislating "back to work" laws so that if your union does decide to exert any of its power in strike action, its members may end up in jail.Anyways, if there are negatives to teacher's unions, what do you think they are?
Great. So it's clear then that teacher's unions are incredibly valuable. It's nice to know, because my wife is considering teaching (*glances at doppelganger*). Education is a very important issue to me too, because I'm going to have kids in a few years (maybe). Unlike what SOME people think, asking questions about teacher's unions doesn't mean I want to destroy them.
Anyways, if there are negatives to teacher's unions, what do you think they are?
Okay, so what about the children? Do teacher's unions do anything to ensure quality education for students?