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Suzanne Somers is now an "expert" on health care policy

Mr Spinkles

Mr Spinkles

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Mr Spinkles

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I prefer real experts, such as the one I cited in the link in the OP:
Aaron E. Carroll, MD, MS is a Professor of Pediatrics and Assistant Dean for Research Mentoring at Indiana University School of Medicine. He is also the director of the Center for Health Policy and Professionalism Research. He earned a BA in chemistry from Amherst College, an MD from the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, and an MS in health services from the University of Washington, where he was also a Robert Wood Johnson Clinical Scholar.
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About Aaron | The Incidental Economist
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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Why worry about Suzanne Somers' opionion?
Oh, yes...it's yet an opportunity to start another thread to bash anyone who dislikes Obamacare.
 
Shadow Wolf

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Certified People sTabber
I'd rather read something from a medical anthropologist (afterall it is their career to study health and how it relates to a culture), or something that came from someone with a medical degree, rather than someone who "uses their celebrity to talk the best and brightest doctors." (what makes that any better than a no-name social scientist who follows around some of the best and brightest?)She tries to further the ideas of how bad Canada's system is, even though Canadians themselves largely and mostly disagree with such statements. She even sticks to the typical lies spread about the ACA.She also sticks to the typical misapplication of certain terms.
And to highlight the errors of the original article:
An earlier version of this post contained a quotation attributed to Lenin (“Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state”) that has been widely disputed. And it included a quotation attributed to Churchill (“Control your citizens’ health care and you control your citizens“) that the Journal has been unable to confirm.
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If you are going to quote someone, but cannot confirm that quote, you do not deserve to be called a journalist and shouldn't be featured in something that is labeled "news." I've known college teachers who hold students to higher standards.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Mr Spinkles said:
If there wasn't so much misinformation coming from Obamacare critics, there wouldn't be so many opportunities to start threads about it.
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Who needs misinformation when the actual facts themselves are surfacing well enough on their own speaking for itself.

You guys are akin with all those clips of Baghdad Bob denying the presence of the marines while gunfire is heard all around them.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Dirty Penguin said:
But you haven't presented any facts...at least nothing credible....:shrug:
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In light that neither of us are engaged with the actual policymaking I would haphazard to guess we both get our information from secondary sources giving you the same level of credibility when it comes to sourcing so it seem you criticized yourself as well.

Like I said before, I will take a wait and see position and watch that ole' stick of dynamite go BOOM. All by itself.

In the meantime Im simply engaged debating with obtaining the same level of public information as anyone else not directly involved with the implementation and policymaking itself.

Funny though. Im having a tough time finding sources touting that all is well and the program is spectacular and working very well. Hmmm.......
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I suppose that next we'll see threads about other empty headed celebrities think
about ACA.....Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton, Barack Obama, Spongebob Squarepants.....

Hmm...this is unfair to Spongebob.
 
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Mr Spinkles

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Revoltingest said:
I suppose that next we'll see threads about other empty headed celebrities think
about ACA....
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It's one thing for empty-headed celebs to have an opinion about the ACA. It's another thing for a reputable newspaper like the WSJ to provide a megaphone for their views and call them an "expert" as long as they support the desired narrative about the ACA.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Mr Spinkles said:
It's one thing for empty-headed celebs to have an opinion about the ACA. It's another thing for a reputable newspaper like the WSJ to provide a megaphone for their views and call them an "expert" as long as they support the desired narrative about the ACA.
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I think it says alot for the average WSJ reader, if they take someone who flaunts their celebrity status to ask a few celebrity doctors some questions as an expert, when there are so many other professions that are much better suited for interviewing and observing doctors, and most importantly getting truthful replies (which I have my doubts miss celebrity got; surgeons especially are notoriously private and quiet about their profession) and looking beyond surface-deep reasoning to find the whys.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Mr Spinkles said:
It's one thing for empty-headed celebs to have an opinion about the ACA. It's another thing for a reputable newspaper like the WSJ to provide a megaphone for their views and call them an "expert" as long as they support the desired narrative about the ACA.
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Ho hum....you want to dis the WSJ, as though your MSNBC & Obama speeches are superior.

I'm glad that I needn't investigate Obamacare for myself, since it seems a complicated work in progress. I see bad info coming for both opponents & proponents, & I watch my son try to sign up using the poorly designed website, which hasn't worked yet for him. (He does computer support for me & others so he's capable.)

Here's an example of bad info: "The IRS won't levy the fine unless you have a refund coming."
This is a red herring because no one who pays taxes can continually avoid a refund without paying a fine. If one never has a refund due, & since few can manage to have exactly zero liability, the tax code penalizes the taxpayer for underpayment. So one might avoid the Obamacare fine, but only by incurring the underpayment fine.

I dislike Obamacare for very basic reasons which require no investigation, ie, it's an expansion of gov power over us. Moreover, it doesn't address the underlying reasons for rising costs.
 
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Dirty Penguin

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Nowhere Man said:
In light that neither of us are engaged with the actual policymaking I would haphazard to guess we both get our information from secondary sources giving you the same level of credibility when it comes to sourcing so it seem you criticized yourself as well.
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I see...you assume because we both get our information from secondary sources that they're equally credible even though much of what you've been presenting has been refuted....OK, I see...

Like I said before, I will take a wait and see position and watch that ole' stick of dynamite go BOOM. All by itself.
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And when it doesn't I suspect you'll remain quiet and move on to another bone to chew on.
 
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