Supposedly, evolution produced the circulatory system in any creature. That is also impossible. It is just way too irreducibly complex to have evolve

[SavedByTheLord]

Supposedly, evolution produced the circulatory system in all creatures that have it. That is also impossible. It is just way too irreducibly complex to have evolved.

It is impossible that the circulatory system could have evolved in any creature. It is just way too irreducibly complex to have evolved. It is just another super great miracle of miracles, in addition to the other 100s of super great miracles of miracles, that evolution cannot explain. It consists of the heart, arteries, including the aortic arch in many species, veins, capillaries, hemoglobin, and many organs that clean the blood, provide nutrients, remove waste, control pressure, and the concentrations of many ions. The circulatory system of an adult person has over 60,000 miles of blood vessels.

Which part of it came first?

The following is just a high-level description of this.

Circulatory system - Wikipedia

1.8 The Circulatory System – Neuroscience: Canadian 1st Edition Open Textbook

 

[Twilight Hue]

Supposedly, evolution produced the circulatory system in all creatures. That is also impossible. It is just way too irreducibly complex to have evolved.

It is impossible that the immunes system could have evolved in any creature. It is just way too irreducibly complex to have evolved. It is just another super great miracle of miracles, in addition to the other 100s of super great miracles of miracles, that evolution cannot explain. It consists of the heart, arteries, including the aortic arch in many species, veins, capillaries, hemoglobin, and many organs that clean the blood, provide nutrients, remove waste, control pressure, and the concentrations of many ions. The circulatory system of an adult person has over 60,000 miles of blood vessels.

Which part of it came first?

The following is just a high-level description of this.

Circulatory system - Wikipedia

1.8 The Circulatory System – Neuroscience: Canadian 1st Edition Open Textbook

You have of yet in the entirety of the seemingly endless threads you posted, how exactly God does it.

 

[Alekdar]

Supposedly, evolution produced the circulatory system in all creatures that have it. That is also impossible. It is just way too irreducibly complex to have evolved.

It is impossible that the circulatory system could have evolved in any creature. It is just way too irreducibly complex to have evolved. It is just another super great miracle of miracles, in addition to the other 100s of super great miracles of miracles, that evolution cannot explain. It consists of the heart, arteries, including the aortic arch in many species, veins, capillaries, hemoglobin, and many organs that clean the blood, provide nutrients, remove waste, control pressure, and the concentrations of many ions. The circulatory system of an adult person has over 60,000 miles of blood vessels.

Which part of it came first?

The following is just a high-level description of this.

Circulatory system - Wikipedia

1.8 The Circulatory System – Neuroscience: Canadian 1st Edition Open Textbook

Hey hey, so in science we don't use the world "Miracle", we prefer "Statistical Improbability" i like to think it means the same, but with different baggage.
As you rightly pointed, The circulatory system of an adult person has over 60,000 miles of blood vessels, thing is, one doesn't born adult, circulatory systems, and the brain, and a lot of other body parts, start as something way simpler, and millions of years of evolution have allowed for this complexity to emerge.
Cheers!

Sketch of the primitive cardiovascular system in an embryo of about 26 days, (Moore and Persaud, 1998)​

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Hey hey, so in science we don't use the world "Miracle", we prefer "Statistical Improbability" i like to think it means the same, but with different baggage.
As you rightly pointed, The circulatory system of an adult person has over 60,000 miles of blood vessels, thing is, one doesn't born adult, circulatory systems, and the brain, and a lot of other body parts, start as something way simpler, and millions of years of evolution have allowed for this complexity to emerge.
Cheers!

Sketch of the primitive cardiovascular system in an embryo of about 26 days, (Moore and Persaud, 1998)​

But these things are so improbable that it would be better to call the miracles of miracles.

 

[Alekdar]

Improbable, yes, how much? a lot! but we humans cannot comprehend things like "infinity" or for that matter "ten thousand years" Our entire existences at best last for 1 century.
I'd say what religious people call miraculous is a statistical improbability: So probability wasn't on my side, but that doesn't mean it's literally impossible and therefore cannot/will not happen, we are not perfect observers, we still lack a lot of knowledge about how Nature and the Universe works.

Imagine someone breaks his back, terrible accident, doctors say it will never walk again, it's not because they know that walking is literally impossible (since they can't see the future), but their experience, knowledge and expertise tells them that walking again is statistically impossible for that person, it would be as you say: miraculous.
We would be wise to take into consideration human will, and human ignorance, to give us a decent wiggle room when making this kind of claims.
But here's the thing, they cannot and should not clam absolute certainty, mainly because our actual medicine is far from perfect knowledge, maybe nerves are still there, 99% damaged, maybe it's a rather young person, and some degree of healing is unacounted for. Or maybe new advances in medical care make that "never walk again" into a "maybe walks again"
If by miracle you mean to "suspend the laws of nature" for a moment, that would be another matter entirely, but i do not think we need this level of intervention to observe the other, more natural "miracles"
Cheers!

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Improbable, yes, how much? a lot! but we humans cannot comprehend things like "infinity" or for that matter "ten thousand years" Our entire existences at best last for 1 century.
I'd say what religious people call miraculous is a statistical improbability: So probability wasn't on my side, but that doesn't mean it's literally impossible and therefore cannot/will not happen, we are not perfect observers, we still lack a lot of knowledge about how Nature and the Universe works.

Imagine someone breaks his back, terrible accident, doctors say it will never walk again, it's not because they know that walking is literally impossible (since they can't see the future), but their experience, knowledge and expertise tells them that walking again is statistically impossible for that person, it would be as you say: miraculous.
We would be wise to take into consideration human will, and human ignorance, to give us a decent wiggle room when making this kind of claims.
But here's the thing, they cannot and should not clam absolute certainty, mainly because our actual medicine is far from perfect knowledge, maybe nerves are still there, 99% damaged, maybe it's a rather young person, and some degree of healing is unacounted for. Or maybe new advances in medical care make that "never walk again" into a "maybe walks again"
If by miracle you mean to "suspend the laws of nature" for a moment, that would be another matter entirely, but i do not think we need this level of intervention to observe the other, more natural "miracles"
Cheers!

Well the universe could not have come into being from nothing and the universe could not have always existed.
So God must have created the universe.

 

[Sargonski]

Well the universe could not have come into being from nothing and the universe could not have always existed.
So God must have created the universe.

Why can the universe not always have existed (another Assumption on your part .. a flawed one at that .. same as the flawed assumption that if the Universe did not come out of nothing that it was God.

but you say no assumptions .. so another fail in the mix.

and last .. the fact that there is a circulatory system proves that it is not impossible .. so wrong once again.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Why can the universe not always have existed (another Assumption on your part .. a flawed one at that .. same as the flawed assumption that if the Universe did not come out of nothing that it was God.

but you say no assumptions .. so another fail in the mix.

and last .. the fact that there is a circulatory system proves that it is not impossible .. so wrong once again.

The law of entropy would have ended all order an infinite time ago.

 

[Sargonski]

The law of entropy would have ended all order an infinite time ago.

Obviously entropy didn't end all order proving your claim false.. just as your claim "God did it" proves your claim false and thus the foundation for your belief is false .. a foundation built on sand - for as we read in scripture

24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Obviously entropy didn't end all order proving your claim false.. just as your claim "God did it" proves your claim false and thus the foundation for your belief is false .. a foundation built on sand - for as we read in scripture

24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

Well that is why there is order in the universe because God created it.
Thanks for giving glory to the Lord Jesus Christ, the Creator of all things.

 

[Sargonski]

Well that is why there is order in the universe because God created it.
Thanks for giving glory to the Lord Jesus Christ, the Creator of all things.

You keep missing the fallacy friend .. It matters not who or what did it - if something did it - then it is not impossible. If it happened .. then it is not impossible. If God did it, then it is not impossibile .. if one God did it .. what is to stop another God from doing it .. or the forces of nature.. including the one's you don't know about

The only thing you know for sure -- is "I AM" but you don't know why, where, or how you got here . your just here .. for the moment .. and thats it .. you know nothing else for certain , no one does

 

[Altfish]

Supposedly, evolution produced the circulatory system in all creatures that have it. That is also impossible. It is just way too irreducibly complex to have evolved.

It is impossible that the circulatory system could have evolved in any creature. It is just way too irreducibly complex to have evolved. It is just another super great miracle of miracles, in addition to the other 100s of super great miracles of miracles, that evolution cannot explain. It consists of the heart, arteries, including the aortic arch in many species, veins, capillaries, hemoglobin, and many organs that clean the blood, provide nutrients, remove waste, control pressure, and the concentrations of many ions. The circulatory system of an adult person has over 60,000 miles of blood vessels.

Which part of it came first?

The following is just a high-level description of this.

Circulatory system - Wikipedia

1.8 The Circulatory System – Neuroscience: Canadian 1st Edition Open Textbook

Oh grief, how many more of these ignorant, anti-science threads have you got up your sleeve. Incredulity doesn't make things untrue.

Please explain where your god comes from.

 

[Kenny]

You have of yet in the entirety of the seemingly endless threads you posted, how exactly God does it.

Through His declaration - the Word of His Power - as all that we see is comprised of wavelengths…

ESV
He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. Heb 1:3 - Genesis 1

He gave it all design, purpose and destiny

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Oh grief, how many more of these ignorant, anti-science threads have you got up your sleeve. Incredulity doesn't make things untrue.

Please explain where your god comes from.

God has always existed.

 

[Altfish]

God has always existed.

Now, I find that incredulous; so, using your logic, that must be untrue.

Ergo, I've proved that god doesn't exist.

 

[Twilight Hue]

God has always existed.

Did God actually tell you that?

 

[Sargonski]

Well that is why there is order in the universe because God created it.
Thanks for giving glory to the Lord Jesus Christ, the Creator of all things.

Your God may have created it .. or another God may have .. and that may be why ther is chaos in the Universe along with the order .. or it may not be .. either way .. you don't know either .. assumed premise fallacy where the premise turned out to be false .. such as the way of the decepticon .. how is the battle with Sataniel going by the way .. you said you had been deceived previously .. my question you are avoiding is how you might know.

Why are you thanking me for giving Glory to Lord Jesus ? pretending I claimed he was creator of all things ? Why this deception and false pretence .. borderline self deception IMO.

You falsely accuse me of giving Glory to Lord Jesus -while blaspheming the name of Lord Jesus on the other side of the fence - where do they teach these tricks friend ?

 

[Revoltingest]

The law of entropy would have ended all order an infinite time ago.

What is the "law of entropy"?

 

[Sargonski]

God has always existed.

Did God actually tell you that?

Doubt-full -- Last time I heard of God doing the equivalent of sitting down for tea and explaining what up was thousands of years ago.
And thus - we have a case of speaking for God .. there are those who can channel God's word you see .. they call it "Speaking in Tongues" among the fundamentalist evangelical and Pentecostal in particular .. they can tell you what up and hoody who who .. how God is feeling day to day .. and who he gonna strike next ... be it with hurricane or Volcano .. maybe a twister here and there.

 

[exchemist]

But these things are so improbable that it would be better to call the miracles of miracles.

Why is it improbable, given several billion years of evolution? There is a review of the evolution of circulatory systems here, for instance: Evolutionary origins of the blood vascular system and endothelium

But I warn you, it has quite a lot of words with 3 or more syllables in it.