Superstitions have got nothing to do with religion or science.

[Thief]

My god are you serious ???.

there is a lot of science in Genesis

 

[psychoslice]

there is a lot of science in Genesis

With a good imagination you can see science in any book.

 

[paarsurrey]

With a good imagination you can see science in any book.

Well, I am not sure about it. Scientific Method was not there ,so how could it happen that science was there. Please rethink. Right? Please
Regards

 

[Thief]

With a good imagination you can see science in any book.

I see.....
selected specimen....
ideal living conditions (petri dish)
anesthesia....
surgery
cloning
genetic manipulation
release into the environment

 

[psychoslice]

Well, I am not sure about it. Scientific Method was not there ,so how could it happen that science was there. Please rethink. Right? Please
Regards

Science wasn't there because the concept wasn't there.

 

[psychoslice]

I see.....
selected specimen....
ideal living conditions (petri dish)
anesthesia....
surgery
cloning
genetic manipulation
release into the environment

Yes by manipulating words like they do with the bible.

 

[Thief]

Yes by manipulating words like they do with the bible.

i didn't write it

i just know how to read it

 

[paarsurrey]

would that include.....beads in your hand?
turning to Mecca when praying?
nodding your head at a Wall?
transforming bread and wine into body and blood?

The truthful religion has only "turning to Mecca when praying?" from the above and was based on revelation from G-d:


Quran Verse 2:142

Sahih International: The foolish among the people will say, "What has turned them away from their qiblah, which they used to face?" Say, "To Allah belongs the east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a straight path."
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation
Regards

 

[Thief]

The truthful religion has only "turning to Mecca when praying?" from the above and was based on revelation from G-d:


Quran Verse 2:142

Sahih International: The foolish among the people will say, "What has turned them away from their qiblah, which they used to face?" Say, "To Allah belongs the east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a straight path."
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation
Regards

just one example of what people do.....trying to draw the attention of heaven

but it is also written......go to your closet and close the door
and the Spirit that knows you....will be there

I suspect that technique will work a lot better
especially if you really believe....the Spirit is there with you
in the dark
alone with you
just the two of you

how much attention do you desire?

 

[paarsurrey]

Science wasn't there because the concept wasn't there.

Truth already existed, while science and scientific method was invented later.
Regards

 

[psychoslice]

Truth already existed, while science and scientific method was invented later.
Regards

Truth became science, it was there all along, its just they were ignorant of it being there.

 

[paarsurrey]

Truth became science, it was there all along, its just they were ignorant of it being there.

Science is not complete,it has to discover much more than they have discovered as yet.
Truth exist already oblivious of whether science has discovered or not.
Regards

 

[psychoslice]

Science is not complete,it has to discover much more than they have discovered as yet.
Truth exist already oblivious of whether science has discovered or not.
Regards

Of course science is always discovering, but religion believes it has all the answers, they believing they don't need to discover anything else, they are as a stagnate pool, where as truth is a running river.

 

[paarsurrey]

Of course science is always discovering, but religion believes it has all the answers, they believing they don't need to discover anything else, they are as a stagnate pool, where as truth is a running river.

Religion covers the whole life science is limited in its designated fields.
Regards

 

[psychoslice]

Religion covers the whole life science is limited in its designated fields.
Regards

So you believe, but your on your own there buddy.

 

[Willamena]

Because a lot of Us believe in superstitions (beliefs, if you prefer) that help us with our well-being without the need for it to be proven by our five senses. We dont need objectivity to prove the authenticity of our beliefs. If we can admit its OUR belief not everyones, we are a step closer to unity among diversity. But muslim and christian beliefs are political; so, I dont think that will happen soon.

I see it a waste of time for christians and muslims and.... (well, Nichiren Shoshu buddhist to add a Joker in there) to try to convince their beliefs are facts.

The very nature of supernatural religions rely on superstition.

Your beliefs are not false.
They are not fictitious.

They just dont have objective justifable means to authenticate their truth to ALL people. They are not universal.

Let me turn he question around,

If your beliefs are not superstitious and can be justified by facts, why doesnt everyone KNOW they are true regardless if they want to believe in them or not?

This is why David Hume was invented.

 

[paarsurrey]

Because a lot of Us believe in superstitions (beliefs, if you prefer) that help us with our well-being without the need for it to be proven by our five senses. We dont need objectivity to prove the authenticity of our beliefs. If we can admit its OUR belief not everyones, we are a step closer to unity among diversity. But muslim and christian beliefs are political; so, I dont think that will happen soon.

I see it a waste of time for christians and muslims and.... (well, Nichiren Shoshu buddhist to add a Joker in there) to try to convince their beliefs are facts.

The very nature of supernatural religions rely on superstition.

Your beliefs are not false.
They are not fictitious.

They just dont have objective justifable means to authenticate their truth to ALL people. They are not universal.

Let me turn he question around,

If your beliefs are not superstitious and can be justified by facts, why doesnt everyone KNOW they are true regardless if they want to believe in them or not?

"If your beliefs are not superstitious and can be justified by facts, why doesnt everyone KNOW they are true regardless if they want to believe in them or not?"
Our beliefs are not superstitious, they are based on Revelation and are justifiable and reasonable and these don't contradict with science. The scientific facts are for use in the sciences, these are not required in religion, necessarily. Science is a common subject for both Religion and Atheism.

Atheism is neither based on scientific facts, nor supported by Revelation. It is therefore a product of superstition.

Regards

 

[Unveiled Artist]

"If your beliefs are not superstitious and can be justified by facts, why doesnt everyone KNOW they are true regardless if they want to believe in them or not?"
Our beliefs are not superstitious, they are based on Revelation and are justifiable and reasonable and these don't contradict with science. The scientific facts are for use in the sciences, these are not required in religion, necessarily. Science is a common subject for both Religion and Atheism.

Atheism is neither based on scientific facts, nor supported by Revelation. It is therefore a product of superstition.

Regards

Without heresay and testimony, name two or three revelations that are proven by science.

It cant be "100 BC Joe Smith predicted wars that will happen based on religion years later" and scientist find his letter that states this.

That is not a revelation. It just means Joe put two and two together by observing his emvironment situation and concluded by chain of events wars will happen give thats whzt humans do.

Finding his testimony on paper does not provs what he says is true. It just proves he said what he said. Whether its true, we would have to interview Joe himself. That, and we would need to find evidence that is noy readably known to other people.

Some say that the earth was flooded with water years ago, land emerged, and so did life. This is proved by science of geology and they/christians lets say, say it is the same as what god did in genesis. So, it must be true.

No. That is a educates guess at most. Where in nature does it describe god did his WITHOUT the bible?

If it is true, science should reveal god as the cause without the bible. It should be fact not speculation.

Bahai say that The Buddha is a manefestation of god's messanger just as jesus and Muhammad. Yet, science tells us The Buddha existed long before Bahaullah's claim. Science of archeololgy also claims that The Buddha does not believe in a creator. As such, you cannot be a manefestatio of someone you dont believe exist if you are supposed to be a messanger of this person. Science proves against this. Its based om belief not fact.

It is said in the Quran, that this book is the key to morals of right and wrong. Science has nothing to do with morals. Wihout morals, how can you identify what is right and wrong without human existence? Science has no universal right and wrong. That is all human. It is a contradiction to the qurans claim IF Islam is supported by science. It is not.

Nothing wrong with that. Just not scientific.

Quran claims Muhammad is he last messanger of god. Yet, for it to be supported by science, first science needs to prove the existence of A god (which? Christian? Muslim? Pagan? Hindu?) before comparing the claims to accuracy. Once god has been proven to exist and its the Hindu god, that makes not only the quran and bible based on superstition (unjustified beliefs) now its completely fake. Fake is not in the definition of superstition.

Wiccans say that nature is he goddess. Pretending we are talking about hardcore Wiccans (no symbolism, pantheism, animism), how do you differientiate the sun being male and moon being female outside of symbolism and educated beliefs that the moon affects water and water means life and the sun gives energy and works along with the moon.

In his case, science DOES support we came from water. The bible, for example, says we came from dirt. If this is supported by science and common sense, explain HOW so. When we have no water left in us we turn to ashes after death. We ARE part of and what makes up the earth. We are walking on the deceased that died before us. No human can live and survive without water. Thats a scientific fact. Anyone can test it (please dont!) Babies live 9 months in fluid. And so forth.

The bible speaks about none of this.

A blessing is a syncronized event that we describe through religious lens. The Churcb tries to prove against some blessings as if all blessings must be supernatural in nature. If Allah saved your daughter from cancer, that is your BELIEF. The scientific FACT is that the chemotherapy worked ans your daughters body is in remission. This is a mediacal success not a supernatural one. However, if you want to relate it to supernatural events, thats up to you.

It is a superstition. Allah has to scientifically exist to measure whether your daughter's improvement in health has anything to do with god.

Revelations work the same way just as anyhing else. Supernatural faith-based religions, by very definition, are not based on scientific facts. Allah, god, vishnu isnt a scientific fact. There is nothing wrong with that.

If you accept that Allah and his work is not a commonly know unjustified belief regardless of YOUR justification, then we defined superstition.

If you cannot, nothing wrong with that. It just means you are incorrect if using your justification as an objective means for all people. You also cant see your beliefs as superstition of Your justification is blinding you that it is not justification as defined by the word superstition.

 

[paarsurrey]

Without heresay and testimony, name two or three revelations that are proven by science.

It cant be "100 BC Joe Smith predicted wars that will happen based on religion years later" and scientist find his letter that states this.

That is not a revelation. It just means Joe put two and two together by observing his emvironment situation and concluded by chain of events wars will happen give thats whzt humans do.

Finding his testimony on paper does not provs what he says is true. It just proves he said what he said. Whether its true, we would have to interview Joe himself. That, and we would need to find evidence that is noy readably known to other people.

Some say that the earth was flooded with water years ago, land emerged, and so did life. This is proved by science of geology and they/christians lets say, say it is the same as what god did in genesis. So, it must be true.

No. That is a educates guess at most. Where in nature does it describe god did his WITHOUT the bible?

If it is true, science should reveal god as the cause without the bible. It should be fact not speculation.

Bahai say that The Buddha is a manefestation of god's messanger just as jesus and Muhammad. Yet, science tells us The Buddha existed long before Bahaullah's claim. Science of archeololgy also claims that The Buddha does not believe in a creator. As such, you cannot be a manefestatio of someone you dont believe exist if you are supposed to be a messanger of this person. Science proves against this. Its based om belief not fact.

It is said in the Quran, that this book is the key to morals of right and wrong. Science has nothing to do with morals. Wihout morals, how can you identify what is right and wrong without human existence? Science has no universal right and wrong. That is all human. It is a contradiction to the qurans claim IF Islam is supported by science. It is not.

Nothing wrong with that. Just not scientific.

Quran claims Muhammad is he last messanger of god. Yet, for it to be supported by science, first science needs to prove the existence of A god (which? Christian? Muslim? Pagan? Hindu?) before comparing the claims to accuracy. Once god has been proven to exist and its the Hindu god, that makes not only the quran and bible based on superstition (unjustified beliefs) now its completely fake. Fake is not in the definition of superstition.

Wiccans say that nature is he goddess. Pretending we are talking about hardcore Wiccans (no symbolism, pantheism, animism), how do you differientiate the sun being male and moon being female outside of symbolism and educated beliefs that the moon affects water and water means life and the sun gives energy and works along with the moon.

In his case, science DOES support we came from water. The bible, for example, says we came from dirt. If this is supported by science and common sense, explain HOW so. When we have no water left in us we turn to ashes after death. We ARE part of and what makes up the earth. We are walking on the deceased that died before us. No human can live and survive without water. Thats a scientific fact. Anyone can test it (please dont!) Babies live 9 months in fluid. And so forth.

The bible speaks about none of this.

A blessing is a syncronized event that we describe through religious lens. The Churcb tries to prove against some blessings as if all blessings must be supernatural in nature. If Allah saved your daughter from cancer, that is your BELIEF. The scientific FACT is that the chemotherapy worked ans your daughters body is in remission. This is a mediacal success not a supernatural one. However, if you want to relate it to supernatural events, thats up to you.

It is a superstition. Allah has to scientifically exist to measure whether your daughter's improvement in health has anything to do with god.

Revelations work the same way just as anyhing else. Supernatural faith-based religions, by very definition, are not based on scientific facts. Allah, god, vishnu isnt a scientific fact. There is nothing wrong with that.

If you accept that Allah and his work is not a commonly know unjustified belief regardless of YOUR justification, then we defined superstition.

If you cannot, nothing wrong with that. It just means you are incorrect if using your justification as an objective means for all people. You also cant see your beliefs as superstition of Your justification is blinding you that it is not justification as defined by the word superstition.

"name two or three revelations that are proven by science."

Did I claim it?
Revelation/Religion deals different things and science deals different. One is not against the other, necessarily.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Without heresay and testimony, name two or three revelations that are proven by science.

It cant be "100 BC Joe Smith predicted wars that will happen based on religion years later" and scientist find his letter that states this.

That is not a revelation. It just means Joe put two and two together by observing his emvironment situation and concluded by chain of events wars will happen give thats whzt humans do.

Finding his testimony on paper does not provs what he says is true. It just proves he said what he said. Whether its true, we would have to interview Joe himself. That, and we would need to find evidence that is noy readably known to other people.

Some say that the earth was flooded with water years ago, land emerged, and so did life. This is proved by science of geology and they/christians lets say, say it is the same as what god did in genesis. So, it must be true.

No. That is a educates guess at most. Where in nature does it describe god did his WITHOUT the bible?

If it is true, science should reveal god as the cause without the bible. It should be fact not speculation.

Bahai say that The Buddha is a manefestation of god's messanger just as jesus and Muhammad. Yet, science tells us The Buddha existed long before Bahaullah's claim. Science of archeololgy also claims that The Buddha does not believe in a creator. As such, you cannot be a manefestatio of someone you dont believe exist if you are supposed to be a messanger of this person. Science proves against this. Its based om belief not fact.

It is said in the Quran, that this book is the key to morals of right and wrong. Science has nothing to do with morals. Wihout morals, how can you identify what is right and wrong without human existence? Science has no universal right and wrong. That is all human. It is a contradiction to the qurans claim IF Islam is supported by science. It is not.

Nothing wrong with that. Just not scientific.

Quran claims Muhammad is he last messanger of god. Yet, for it to be supported by science, first science needs to prove the existence of A god (which? Christian? Muslim? Pagan? Hindu?) before comparing the claims to accuracy. Once god has been proven to exist and its the Hindu god, that makes not only the quran and bible based on superstition (unjustified beliefs) now its completely fake. Fake is not in the definition of superstition.

Wiccans say that nature is he goddess. Pretending we are talking about hardcore Wiccans (no symbolism, pantheism, animism), how do you differientiate the sun being male and moon being female outside of symbolism and educated beliefs that the moon affects water and water means life and the sun gives energy and works along with the moon.

In his case, science DOES support we came from water. The bible, for example, says we came from dirt. If this is supported by science and common sense, explain HOW so. When we have no water left in us we turn to ashes after death. We ARE part of and what makes up the earth. We are walking on the deceased that died before us. No human can live and survive without water. Thats a scientific fact. Anyone can test it (please dont!) Babies live 9 months in fluid. And so forth.

The bible speaks about none of this.

A blessing is a syncronized event that we describe through religious lens. The Churcb tries to prove against some blessings as if all blessings must be supernatural in nature. If Allah saved your daughter from cancer, that is your BELIEF. The scientific FACT is that the chemotherapy worked ans your daughters body is in remission. This is a mediacal success not a supernatural one. However, if you want to relate it to supernatural events, thats up to you.

It is a superstition. Allah has to scientifically exist to measure whether your daughter's improvement in health has anything to do with god.

Revelations work the same way just as anyhing else. Supernatural faith-based religions, by very definition, are not based on scientific facts. Allah, god, vishnu isnt a scientific fact. There is nothing wrong with that.

If you accept that Allah and his work is not a commonly know unjustified belief regardless of YOUR justification, then we defined superstition.

If you cannot, nothing wrong with that. It just means you are incorrect if using your justification as an objective means for all people. You also cant see your beliefs as superstition of Your justification is blinding you that it is not justification as defined by the word superstition.

"Quran claims Muhammad is he last messanger of god. Yet, for it to be supported by science, first science needs to prove the existence of A god (which?"

Muhammad is last in status, not in time.
It is not a scientific issue, so science doesn't have to prove it. Right? Please
Regards