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Sumerian mythology?
- Thread starter DanielR
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A lot of people see things in a soft-polytheistic light:
Satan
The Horned God
Enki
Prometheus
Shemyaza
Melek Taus
Lucifer
etc...
May all be the same guy to them. I wouldn't think that the Sumerian religion is overly important to most Satanists... They may use the names for aesthetic value, but it is more likely that the particulars of the historical religion are not applicable -- most religious Satanists are recreating their religion from folk practices and using other sources which are much more modern. Other than having a historical record and some mythology not very much is known about how similar the ancients practices were to ours... In some cultures, like Greek, we have very good direct sources of their actual ritual practices but for those older cultures we mostly can only speculate. Most modern Satanists aren't going to be too interested in trying to mimic the speculative belief structures of the ancients -- we just don't know what they really thought of these matters, and most of the "facts" we have were written down by people who were not of their mindset and were interpreted.
Satan
The Horned God
Enki
Prometheus
Shemyaza
Melek Taus
Lucifer
etc...
May all be the same guy to them. I wouldn't think that the Sumerian religion is overly important to most Satanists... They may use the names for aesthetic value, but it is more likely that the particulars of the historical religion are not applicable -- most religious Satanists are recreating their religion from folk practices and using other sources which are much more modern. Other than having a historical record and some mythology not very much is known about how similar the ancients practices were to ours... In some cultures, like Greek, we have very good direct sources of their actual ritual practices but for those older cultures we mostly can only speculate. Most modern Satanists aren't going to be too interested in trying to mimic the speculative belief structures of the ancients -- we just don't know what they really thought of these matters, and most of the "facts" we have were written down by people who were not of their mindset and were interpreted.
JoyOfSatan isn't regarded as Satanism, but rather some Nazi's who like Satanic Occult things. Most of their text is copy/paste from somewhere else. You should probably try this first:
Satan's Den
Satan's Den
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Not at allIf I'd follow Sumerian mythology or ancient religion, would I be considered Satanist?
I don't know really why but I had the feeling that a lot of people equate Sumerian religion with Satanism, is this true?
Thanks
Kenneth Grant? He was like an OTO die-hard... Sorry, Satanism... not even in the slightest...
What does Kenneth Grant have to do with Sumerian mythology being generally considered as Satanic or not? Would you consider Zecharia Sitchin (who could read and translate Sumerian, and wrote extensively about it) to be Satanic? Granted, Sitchin took quite a bit of poetic license in his writings, but does that make him or Sumerian mythology Satanic? (Remember, we are talking generalities here, so you would have to demonstrate a clear trend towards Sumerian mytholgy being considered as Satanic.)
Yes, let's ignore everything anyone ever said if they had downs in their life. Great occultism right there. This is a joke.
1. Sumerian is not considered satanic in itself by anyone worth listening to.
2. Sumerian can be integrated into lhp occultism, and often has been.
Seems like the thread is resolved.
1. Sumerian is not considered satanic in itself by anyone worth listening to.
2. Sumerian can be integrated into lhp occultism, and often has been.
Seems like the thread is resolved.
Definitely!
These connections are tenuous at best, thus my caution about our interpretations vs the realities of these things. For Sumerians, these were beings not archetypes -- there is no evidence that anything that was described was metaphor. Calling something an archetype is pretty much saying that it is "not real only conceptual" which I don't think reflects the views of the ancients.
We can turn anything to some sort of metaphorical comparison that pleases us where no relation exists, and generally this is the type of thing that goes on in the Western Hermetic tradition. Everything must fit the Qabalah or some other super-system or that system is invalid -- but it is just a placebo effect it only fits in topically. I think in this case that is mostly what is going on...
To me the story of Tiamat, as well as most serpents, seems to describe the nature of the circumpolar stars. If Sumer is as old as some scholars believe, they would have seen alpha draconis, in the Draco constellation, become the dominant pole star. Their stories would the naturally include the danger of the approaching serpent and the need to vanquish it.
Aštra’el
Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Or Order over Chaos, but yes, the Conscious mind over the Subconscious mind is another great way of looking at it and interpreting the myth. Tiamat was a primordial goddess of Chaos, the embodiment of the Abyss, the raging primordial waters.... whose body was used to create the world. This could be perceived as the universe before its current state, or the oceans before life... or the imagination, the subconscious, that dark Abyss from which all our thoughts and ideas and emotions emerge...
And, considering how much freedom you have to control, develop and explore your own spiritual/ religious system in the LHP, I too would have you believe that Sumero-Babylonian mythology or any mythology for that matter, even Abrahamic, can be integrated into your LHP views with great success and meaning.
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