Shad
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Eh? Most memes aren't even political, and the right leaning ones that do pop up tend to be low-brow redneck garbage.
Memes are low-brow anyways.
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Eh? Most memes aren't even political, and the right leaning ones that do pop up tend to be low-brow redneck garbage.
Right-wing here often means people who want to give away freedoms for the sake of international companies. Nationalists are often closer to center or even somewhat closer to social democrats. In Finland social democrats (members of socialists in Europe) are also traditionally anti-communist and liberals were somewhat right of center, but they no longer have any support. The axis is quite hard to use in comparing North America to Europe.Fair Use
European right-wing parties are still left in spectrum in a lot of cases so your point does not fly with me.
Right-wing here often means people who want to give away freedoms for the sake of international companies.
They're considered the right-most part here and political scientists agree. They're all for the EU and for this particular package.That isn't right-wing but cronyism
In Finland liberal, socialist, green party, left and communist are different entities opposed to each other. The main traditional right wing party and the nationalist "True Finns" party likewise.Seem easy to use. Just the labels seems often off when compared to the spectrum.
They're considered the right-most part here and political scientists agree. They're all for the EU and for this particular package.
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European right-wing parties are still left in spectrum in a lot of cases so your point does not fly with me.
That doesn't answer the question...
"Anything conservatives do that I don't like, I'll blame the lefties for."
Why would it be a disaster. Literally nobody involved wants to destroy the internet so why would the legislation be implemented or applied in a way which could achieve that. The very fact the opponents interpretations are so extreme and negative is the reason those interpretations are never going to be applied in practice. This is far from perfect and there will inevitably be some issues and difficult edge cases to deal with but there are issues and difficult edge cases right now which the legislation is trying to address. It will not be the massive international disaster the extreme opponents predict unless they choose to make that happen.If it gets implemented then it's a disaster.
They're not garbage. It's why I always feel a need to laugh when the US liberals are mentioned. They were for small government, personal freedom and responsibility... etcIf liberals are considered right of center then those political scientists are garbage
They're not garbage. It's why I always feel a need to laugh when the US liberals are mentioned.
They were for small government, personal freedom and responsibility... etc
Liberals (Finland) - Wikipedia
I did vote for them once, before they basically disappeared. They were not leftists and no one sane would have confused them for Marxists, they were different from your Canadian centre-left liberals.
Yes it does as the EU is not right-wing and is removing Fair Use or never had it.
What conservatives?
It has a right/centre-right majority.
Why is a centre-right coalition favouring the rights of big business over the people 'left'?
They tend to have names like Christian-Democrats, and the Conservative Party
I meant that the word liberal means differnt things.Do not conflate liberals with the Dem party and it's history.
I meant that the word liberal means differnt things.
If European "left" is against that law and European "right" is for that law, can we say that it's the left's fault?
It doesn't make much sense, since the more left you go, the more likely you are against the articles. Of course there are people like nationalists who make the exception.
The same system has been tried in less extreme form in Spain and it resulted in less freedom of press. I don't know what you'd categorize as disaster, but the shift in direction toward less freedom on the internet and using bots to censor content based on it being possibly using parts of other content found on the net. It should be troubling for anyone regardless of their beliefs.Why would it be a disaster. Literally nobody involved wants to destroy the internet so why would the legislation be implemented or applied in a way which could achieve that. The very fact the opponents interpretations are so extreme and negative is the reason those interpretations are never going to be applied in practice. This is far from perfect and there will inevitably be some issues and difficult edge cases to deal with but there are issues and difficult edge cases right now which the legislation is trying to address. It will not be the massive international disaster the extreme opponents predict unless they choose to make that happen.
But you see no difference as the "extreme left" is on the same side of the debate here as you and me.The political parties would be.
It is going toward that, yes. It's aimed at both populist, nationalists and the left.I see it as part censorship
A lot of European right-wing parties are mislabeled.
As it include regulations that will kill a part of internet culture thus is a form of censorship as it does not maintain Fair Use.
Yet their policies are left-wing more often than not.
According to one MEP here who voted differently than other conservatives, it might still effectively censor memes even if it isn't "intended to" because the machine learning algorithms might see the memes as potential copyright infringements. But you're right that they don't intend to move against memes. Same thing might happen to schools and their study materials...So far we have a centre right coalition passing an IP law in favour of big business that specifically exempts memes, yet it is in fact a left wing attempt at censoring of memes because they see them as a threat.
But you see no difference as the "extreme left" is on the same side of the debate here as you and me.
It is going toward that, yes. It's aimed at both populist, nationalists and the left.
Centre-right parties tend to have centre right ideologies.
The bill is not to censor the internet but to enforce IP laws as corporations have been extensively lobbying for for years.
If the purpose was censorship, why would they specifically exempt memes from the law?
Don't be daft.
So far we have a centre right coalition passing an IP law in favour of big business that specifically exempts memes, yet it is in fact a left wing attempt at censoring of memes because they see them as a threat.
Can't argue with that logic...