Rick B said: ↑
How about responding to post 436 on page 22[/QUOTE
@kjw47 "I cannot respond to every post. I had 20 today it would take hours."
In this case it is taking months. I first presented Ps.102:25-28 NWT on July 17 on the thread "The Bible Declares that Jesus is God" post 749 page 38.
Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.+
26 They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.+
28 The children of your servants will dwell securely,
And their offspring will be firmly established before you.”+
...with 2 questions: Who is the subject being described here? And what does this tell us about him?
You answered: God is being spoken of. God did it all--He created- Michael-Jesus) direct, first and last( Prov 8)--- then created all other things through Jesus. He always was and always will be.
Except for the eisegetical insertion about Michael you answered correctly. My Response: Yes, this is depicting YHWH/Jehovah describing Him as eternal, unchangeable, Creator of all things, although Jesus is not mentioned specifically. And these attributes are only true of God. As far as these verses applying to Almighty God alone we agree. In the margin of my copy of the NWT this section of Psalm 102 has a reference going to
Hebrews 1:10-12.
Hebrews 1:8-12 NWT
8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+
You reply: It is not calling Jesus God at Heb 1:8-12--- it clearly shows Jesus has a God, Companions mentioned are angels--Michael is Jesus.
I reply:
The issue of the grammar
Hebrews 1:8-12 must first be addressed.
In verse 8 the "he" who is speaking is God the Father. Between the quotation marks are His statements. From the beginning of the quotation mark in verse 8 to the end of verse 9, where the first statement of God the Father ends with the closed quote it is spoken to the Son. Verse 10 begins with the conjunction "and" connecting the next quotation. There is no change of the subject speaking - the Father or the object spoken to - the Son. God the Father is still addressing the Son to the end of verse 12. You are correct stating that Psalm 102:25-27 is attributed to YHWH, Jehovah God and to Him alone. Your own Bible translation properly uses the English grammatical construction and yet, because of the bias of one's tradition, one does not see the clear and plain English language right before their eyes. I only ask that you would reread this section and reconsider your assumption according to what is written.
As you can see the personal pronouns are referring to verse 8 - the Son and without controversy the Son is Jesus Christ.
Your response: Facts of reality prove Jesus is not God. Jesus proves it when he calls the Father( one who sent him-
John 5:30)
John 17:3) The only true God. Either Jesus is lying or trinity teachers are lying. We all must choose who we believe. Paul believed Jesus-1Cor 8:6
You evaded any attempt to directly address the texts written in your own NWT. Even though you recognize that Ps.102 is speaking about YHWH and see that Heb.1 assigns the same attributes to Jesus you cannot reconcile God's Word and your Unitarian dogma. So instead of exegeting the text, as is normal in a debate, you must run down rabbit-trails with, what is seen by all as, absurd, irrelevant word-salad demonstrating that your bias controls your mind to the extent that you blind yourself to what you believe to be God's written revelation about Himself in your own version.
So here, now after 2 months and several entreaties, you can recover some dignity and compare and examine these text in an exegetical manner then give us your assessment.