Lightkeeper
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Is this a religious experience or psychological or just babble?
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Here is the litmus test for MATURE BELIEVERS, charismatic physcobabble(hogwash)holier than thou!!!!!:162:true blood said:Speaking in tongues is perfect prayer, for the mature believers in Christ.
Why could Paul tell some in the Corinthian church only about Jesus Christ and him crucified? Because the majority of believers were not spiritually mature enough to accept more truth. They could not be taught the mystery. That is a tremendous truth. Even today, most people do not spiritually go beyond Jesus Christ and his crucifixion. The focal point of almost every church is the altar and the cross.Ronald said:Here is the litmus test for MATURE BELIEVERS, charismatic physcobabble(hogwash)holier than thou!!!!!:162:
Speaking in tongues is a gift of the Spirit, is a fact and done bySOME today, but not all.
When one makes statements as the above, while having elements of truth in it, but a false conclussion, (I'll hold my tongue, and control my fingers.):jam:
It is not a measure of a man, his faith nor his holiness. Just A gift from God. It is to be used to the GLORY of GOD.
Wrong conclussion again!!!true blood said:Why could Paul tell some in the Corinthian church only about Jesus Christ and him crucified? Because the majority of believers were not spiritually mature enough to accept more truth. They could not be taught the mystery. That is a tremendous truth. Even today, most people do not spiritually go beyond Jesus Christ and his crucifixion. The focal point of almost every church is the altar and the cross.
I Corinthians 2:6: However we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought.
The key word above is "perfect", or "teleioi". It points out that there are "teleioi" among the true believers. Thus there are babes in christ and there are "mature", aka "perfect/teleioi" among the Body. It was to those few "teleioi", Paul could speak the wisdom of God regarding the musterion, "even the hidden, which God ordained before the world unto our glory".
The early Church realized the great reality of what they had from the new birth. That is why they did signs, miracles, and wonders. They all spoke in tongues. Paul, himself, said he wished we all spoke in tongues.
It would probably be taken a lot more seriously if people who do it didn't try to make it seem like more than it really is. For example, if you overheard someone doing it privately, it would seem interesting to you.Lightkeeper said:Is this a religious experience or psychological or just babble?
Do you even know what 29-31 is teaching? "So God has placed some in the Church having the ministry of apostles, prophets and teachers. There are some who minister more effectively as miracle workers, some who are very effective in ministering the blessing of healing, some who are very adept in ministering as helps and governments, and some whose ministry is diversity[genes] of tongues." Also Paul explains in the next few verses that without "charity" none of this will profit you anything. And charity never fails. Charity beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. And when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.Ronald said:Wrong conclussion again!!!
The early Church realized the great reality of what they had from the new birth. That is why they did signs, miracles, and wonders. They all spoke in tongues. Paul, himself, said he wished we all spoke in tongues
No where in scripture do you find such a statement by anyone at anytime!
Kneed it, massage it, press it, stretch it, pull it, twist it, bend it, add to it, subtract from it and you still have phsyco-babble, a litmus test for those who are "Perfect in their own eyes" to the exclussion of all of those who don't do physco-babble.
Yes there are those who do speak in other tongues/languages that they did not study,
tongues, Paul wished ALL could speak.
1Cor.12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?
31 But earnestly desire the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.