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Some runes work for me, some don't
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VioletVortex
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What do you mean? Certain runes resonate more with you than others? That to me makes sense.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
How are the runes not working for you? Which are you trying to use, and for what purpose?
For example if I meditate with Wunjo, I get joy either while I'm meditating or after a few hours something happens that makes me joyful. That comes as a great gift, since my life isn't exactly joyful.
But nothing happens with Fehu. I'd hate to go back to meditating with affirmations for the wealth matter!
An acquaintance once told me the Japanese Buddhists have a saying; "the mind is like a room with many doors". Maybe I have troubles to open some doors yet. Or some doors have to opened before others. But do you guys have another explanation?
But nothing happens with Fehu. I'd hate to go back to meditating with affirmations for the wealth matter!
An acquaintance once told me the Japanese Buddhists have a saying; "the mind is like a room with many doors". Maybe I have troubles to open some doors yet. Or some doors have to opened before others. But do you guys have another explanation?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Fé/Fehu isn't just material wealth. It also represents abundance, happiness, and can apply to pretty much anything. What's more to keep in mind is that the runes aren't guarantees. They're not magic tokens imbued with certain powers and such; holding a Fehu amulet isn't going to shower you with cash. They can be used as petitions for a change in fate (NOT a guarantee) or for insight into possible futures (NOT a certainty). But they don't really work like things that need to be unlocked or accessed with "higher levels of insight" or anything.
Strange, becase Wunjo did work for me exactly like that. I don't know if the runes themselves have powers, but they do release the hidden potential of the rune user. I just wonder why some runes do release my potential and others don't. Or they do, but only after a lot of "galdoring" effort.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Joy is relatively easy to produce. As an emotion, there is no physical demand or deficit for it, and it can be produced from nothing. If you're trying to use Fehu to petition for wealth (monetary, I assume), where is that money going to come from? It cannot just appear from thin air.
I actually expected from Fehu the same results or better than e.g. meditating with the affirmation "I am perfect supply". Which is that my life reorganizes itself so I end up getting what I need at the right time. I didn't get showers of cash with that affirmation, but I got some sales in my incipient business. And some unexpected presents. Something like that also happened when I tried Lakshmi mantras. The last job I got was thanks to Lakshmi.
But I didn't want to mix those tecniques with Ásatrú. I'm thinking maybe another option would be making offerings to Jörd or Freya. Frey never responded to me in the matter of supply, although he's supposedly associated with wealth.
I just remembered a few years ago I carved Fehu on a candle and it did work. I got a 2 weeks temporary job.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
You're mixing up a few things with Ásatrú, actually. Firstly, you're treating the Gods as vending machines; they're not. If Freyr didn't respond to your request, it's not a matter of him "supposedly" being associated with wealth or prosperity. He is associated with that. If you're looking to get your life sorted, from an Ásatrú perspective that's for you to do. I can't see how - or more importantly why - either Jörð or Freyja would aid you just because you ask. Do you have prior experience and relationship with them? The Gods don't tend to just shower out gifts and blessings for people who ask hard enough; that's not their job nor their purpose.
The runes may or may not aid in this; it's a gamble. A few years ago they aided you in an endeavor, today they aren't. (Though, that could be due to the nature of your goal; you're looking for stability and/or luck. That's not exactly what Fehu stands for.)
The runes may or may not aid in this; it's a gamble. A few years ago they aided you in an endeavor, today they aren't. (Though, that could be due to the nature of your goal; you're looking for stability and/or luck. That's not exactly what Fehu stands for.)
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Are runes fortune telling devices?
Never worked with runes
Never worked with runes
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Technically, yes. When you do a rune reading/casting, you are shown possibilities for what may come. Some events in the future have been written since the dawn of time, such as the course of the universe, or when a volcano will explode; small things like whether or not we're going to have a date on Friday aren't among those things, and are up to us.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
You seem to be asatru so im stepping out, though
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Hmm yez, interesting.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
What bearing would that have on anything? (Pro Tip: It doesn't) Ásatrú works with the runes just as much (and in fashion) as Forn Sed, Teutonic Heathenry, Vanatru, Rokkatru, etc, and even Odinism and Wotanism.
What's so wrong with negociating with the gods? They did actually do some favours to me before. If it wouldn't be for Odin, I'd still have asma.
What's your point in relating with the gods anyway? I see them nowadays as family anyway, not as vending machines. Yes, they're not obliged to help, but what kind of grandpa doesn't at least teach you how to "sort your life"?
So what rune do you think it would be best for that purpose? According to this website, Fehu is actually one of the luck runes.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Nothing. You can ask them for things, but unless you've built up a relationship with them (which isn't always easy or possible), the answer might be "no". It can also border on the disrespectful; are you treating Freyr as the Vanir of fertility, prosperity, giver of rain and embodiment of male virility? Or are you treating Freyr as the quick-fix answer to your problem?
Seeing the Gods as "family" is also... foolish. We are a dust-speck in the scope of everything that they have created and continue to create. Odin is not our grandfather - we are not Magni, nor Modi. We have no real right to ask (or worse, demand) anything of the Gods. We have less of a right to paint it up as some manner of familial relation. Odin is the Chieftain of the Aesir, not our spiritual grandfather.
My point in relation with the Gods is that you should turn to Odin for an example of life and better ways to live it (the good and the bad), not as an answer to yours specifically. Your life is not Odin's, nor his yours. You are the only person that can change and manage your life, and it's no one else's responsibility to fix or sort it for you - least of all the Gods.
Magic, and in turn the runes, can aid in your efforts, but they do not miraculously fix them. Used in such a fashion they are band-aids, and band-aids don't heal a cut; you do.
(To note, Odin doesn't do healing, really, so I don't think he's the reason that you don't have asthma anymore.)
Sunnyway is a good starting point, but they're lacking in several things; context, application, and practicality. What kind of stability are you looking for? Do you want happiness or money? Joy or ecstasy? In using runes to try and influence your fate, the better course of action would be to craft a bindrune using a few runes. Something like the Gebu Auja, which means "I Give Luck":
However with these, keep in mind that they are also not guarantees. They won't always or automatically work. What's more important is that they must be maintained. You can't just carve them and forget them, and expect them to keep working. It's not anything like what the Wiccans do with "charging" crystals or the like; typically in Heathenry, to tie something to you and your fate, and make it work, you paint it with your own blood.
The most important thing to keep in mind here is that Heathenry is a religion of work. If you want a better life, the best and surest way to get it is to improve it yourself. Heathenry only really has one practice that could be considered "meditation," and it's purpose is to listen and join with the environment around you. For the most part, Heathenry isn't about sitting around thinking about things; if you want results, you have to take action.
We would be fooling ourselves if we think the relationship with others is just for the benefit of others; gods or not. We are always moved by our own interests; even if we would do free charity work, we do it because we get a good feeling with it. There's no such thing as a totally altruistic person. Mine is not a Right Hand Path.
That doesn't mean I'd treat the gods as my servants, no. I'm not their servants either.
We actually descend from the gods, in my case the origin of my spirit is Odin's place, according to Krishna. That's what I've seen in trance a few years ago; Krishna leading me to Odin and since then, all gods and buddhas of other religions end up sooner o later, leading me to the Allfather.
I know the following isn't part of traditional Ásatrú, but we are not dustspecks; we have the same potential as a god, each one of us is like a star. It is not my point of view to see gods as cosmic beings, but rather as people who were aliens in the remote past (in the case of Celtic, Norse and Greek gods, they were Pleiadian). Nowadays they are enlightened spirits who took on different jobs to help Mankind. e.g. Sunna doesn't really is the spirit of the Sun, but she surely can act as a solar spirit and give solar energy.
Oh yes he does heal... he not only gave me the energy to resist the alergen that caused my asma, but he also told me (with thoughts) the subconscious reason why I was having asma (suicide urges, I was basically drowning myself) and finally helped me discover it was the damn toothpaste. I ended up using toothpaste for kids.
And I only had to give Odin some dry chicken as an offering to get that.
Now, if you believe I'm being contacted by aliens from other dimensions instead of the real gods of Asgard... feel free to think that way.
Is that a Fehu or an Ansuz, on the Gebo?
Yes, I got it, the problem is Argentina is not exactly a land of opportunities. Even if you have titles and experience here, you might be discriminated by age. I'm currently 41 and not many hopes of getting a job. Even if I'd get a job, salaries are miserly. Workers are despised, there's no meritocracy. Also the government makes it very expensive and bureaucratic to make your own business here. Taxes are at Scandinavian levels, but benefits are not as in Scandinavia. So far in running my own business I've spent more in taxes and accountant fees than what I've earned! So success is not all about knowledge and hard work, but also about being at the right time and the right place. TV idiots, drug dealers and politicians make good money here. Although I don't think Odin would like me to become one of them, if I could.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Strictly speaking Heathenry (and by proxy, Ásatrú) doesn't really deal in dividing up actions with left hand or right hand. Actions are what they are, and consequences from them determine if they were good or bad, sin or not. And yes, while there is a degree of self-interest in everything that we do, one can still take that too far and use people; or try to use the Gods. While we lack the authority to truly use the Gods, though, they might take offense and see to it that you get the opposite of what you demand, and so we advise against such usery.
No, we actually don't. We are human, mortal, and they are Æsir, Vanir and Jotun, and some beings before and more primal than that. The Gods made us into what we are, but that does not make us their descendants.
Why/how would Krishna have any opinion or knowledge of Odin, or his craft? Neither of Odin's halls dole out spirits for birth and rebirth (a concept alien to Heathenry); Valaskjálf is his personal hall, and Valhalla is a resting place for the honored dead. I can certainly understand other deities leading you to a path that is right for you, but I think you have an overly romanticized ideal of Odin than he is.
No, not really. We certainly don't have the potentials of gods; we are mortal. We are not all of us insignificant, and can rise to greatness, but even that greatness pales to that of the Gods. We are not equals to them.
I'm sorry, are you saying that the deities of Europe were actually physical extraterrestrials? I can tell you with certainty that you're not going to have a healthy, realistic relationship with any of the Æsir or Vanir with a view like that. Keep it as you will, but it's not a view that is cohesive with Heathenry, or one that I can give much advise for.
[/quote]Oh yes he does heal...[/quote]
Not us. He knows runes to heal, and to raise the dead, but these he did not give to us. We look to Freyr and Freyja for aid in our healing efforts. I can't speak to your experience, or what it was exactly, but I am beginning to get a picture of it.
Ansuz. Fehu's arms reach upward, and there are three of them as opposed to the two downward ones of Ansuz.
No place really is, unless you're born into money. We can't become rich overnight, and magic can't help with that. The money has to come from somewhere - it is not made fresh and new - and it can't just be taken from someone to be redistributed to you.
Yes, I have received a warning as a thought sometimes when I complained of not receiving some things I wanted: "Remember we're not your servants". But love and respect softens everything.
They used their own DNA to create us, which makes us pretty much their descendants. And they love us as such.
The gods from different cultures know each other. Krishna is no ignorant.
You're confusing our physical self with the true one, the "I am". Our eternal part, the star that we really are, is no different from a being we call a "god". But yes, our physical self is very limited compared to them.
Yes, in remote times, hundreds of thousands of years ago they were physical. Nowadays they're powerful spirits. I believe we worship ghosts of aliens. Odin is not offended with me believing that. On the contrary, he confirmed it to me.
What about Eir? Besides, I'd be careful to say a god can not or will not do something.
I see, what confused me is that the arms were perpendicular to the main line.
Yes but some places have a culture that values your abilities, intelligence, effort, persistence, etc. Those things aren't often given any importance here. This is one of the cheap man labour countries.
You get from the Universe a response according to the energy you emit. Whether in a ritual, a spell, a meditation, good wishes... whatever. That's magic. Some people have the capability of emitting more energy and more kinds of energy and thus make better magic to change their lives. Anything is possible. The Universe will give you money, health or whatever if you change your mind to emit better energy to attract what you want. Whether a god changes your mind or you change it yourself, the result will be the same.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
No, they did not, and there is nothing to support such a claim. Neither do the Gods love us as their children; they have their own children to give that love. This is the viewpoint of "love and light," which does not have a practical place in Heathenry.
Allow me to rephrase: why would Krishna care? Also given your view of the Gods, Odin's hall (which one?) being the source of your spirit doesn't make much sense.
You are free to your beliefs, I want to be 100% clear on that.
But this is not Heathery, in any form. I would daresay that you worship Odin in name alone. In a Heathen sense, it is possible that Odin was a great Chieftain, a man, who was then deified. But the ghost of an alien? No. That has more of a place in Scientology than Heathenry.
Neither are our spirits the same as that of the Gods. We are very different. Your notions of the "physical self" and our "true spirit selves" is also not a notion found in a Heathen sense-of-mind, and is more in place with Eastern religions.
Eir is a Valkyrie, and as such her skills of healing are more turned to with battle medics and when mercy is needed. As in when someone would be better off dead than left suffering.