Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That is just a story. There are many stories in the Bible and those things never literally happened.
Nobody come back from the dead after three days.
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So what about hell?
- Thread starter YoursTrue
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Nobody come back from the dead after three days.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, that is not what Baha'u'llah teaches. I read about that in a book that was written by a Christian.
I suggest that you read it. I don't necessarily believe all the details in the book but I think he has the basics about heaven and hell correct.
Heaven and Hell
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
ok, thanks for expressing yourself. You're not alone in that you don't believe the accounts in the Bible. But thank you for letting me know. OK, bye for now.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I don't need to read that especially since you don't believe that Jesus raised the dead. OK, have a good one.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Not everyone...wants to go to heaven.
cataway
Well-Known Member
InChrist
Free4ever
I don’t believe it will be eternal torture because torture involves pain inflicted upon someone by another. I have stated I do believe it will be eternal torment; self-inflicted torment that those who reject God will bring upon themselves and experience forever in their state of separation from the Creator and Source of love, goodness, joy, beauty, peace, etc.
If you don’t think there’s such a state of conscious eternal suffering then why do the scriptures say there will be and why did Jesus warn so adamantly of such a state and the need to avoid that terrible destiny?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
First of all, didn't Jesus say it means everlasting life to know God and his son? Please read John 17:3. Thank you.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Did God promise heaven to Adam and Eve? Did He say they would be tortured when they died? No. The Earth is where He placed them.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
So let me ask you another question about your beliefs. Do you believe the dead are alive? or conscious?
cataway
Well-Known Member
dead means dead
InChrist
Free4ever
Yes, in John 17:3 Jesus said … that eternal/everlasting life is to know the only true God, and Jesus Christ.
Eternal life is a life with God forever; a relationship with one’s Creator enjoying His love, joy, beauty, goodness, creativity and so much more throughout eternity.
Spiritual death is the condition of being alienated or separated from God. This is the consistent message of the scriptures, not extinction or annihilation. The second death is an ultimate and eternal separation from God. The expression is found four times in the book of Revelation.
This condition is characterized as the second death because it follows physical death; it is designated as “death” because it is the final and terminal separation from the LORD (Matthew 7:23; 25:41; 2 Thessalonians 1:9). Try substituting the term “annihilation” for “death” in the Revelation passages and see what happens.
For example:
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second “annihilation”. Revelation 2:11
The very expression represents an absurdity. There is absolutely no biblical evidence that the eternal damnation the scriptures refer to will involve the extermination of either Satan, evil angels, or wicked humans
(Matthew 25:41,46; Rev. 14:9-11; 20:10).
InChrist
Free4ever
My perspective is that after physical death they are spiritually alive and conscious.
InChrist
Free4ever
Paul did not consider physical death to equate spiritual death…
We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:9
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
There certainly is.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It all goes back to Adam and Eve. They died.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
OK, thank you for relating that. But let's go back to the first man and woman. God did not tell them they would live forever somewhere if they sinned. He did not tell them they would go to a place where they would be alive somehow after their physical deaths.
InChrist
Free4ever
I don’t think you actually know everything God may have told Adam and Eve about what happens after physical death.
He did tell them they would die if they ate the forbidden fruit. When they did sin and eat the fruit death entered the world…but Adam and Eve did not immediately die, did they? Nevertheless, the scriptures do very clearly show that their relationship with God was broken and they became separated from God at that point.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe Hell is a prison for those who do not wish to be good. I believe it is only fire and nothing else materially but the spirit can conjure up other things if it isn't distracted by the fire. I believe there is a temporal cycle and an eternal cycle. I believe it is possible for spirits to be released into the temporal cycle when it starts again.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that God will judge the person. Some people assume that will mean Heaven or Hell but assumptions are rarely correct. I believe the law of reciprocity may be used ie the person gets a new life but gets what he gave in the old life.