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Should Society Ban The Abrahamic Religions And How?

Judaism isn't that bad. No heaven nor hell, no proselytizing. Compared to Christianity or Islam, it's preferable, IMO.
But consider the damage and harm done to non-hebrews when the hebrews claimed that God was/is on their God and that they were chosen. It does not matter whether chosen means "favoured" or chosen to be "scapegoats", the fact is that hebrews/jews are seen by others to think themselves special in some way.
That is divisive and cannot come from God, only human nature...........and the hatred reigned down on the jews by others is as a consequence of the hebrews having coveted the nature of One God
 
Anyway i was wrong, probably not practical to ban them It is a bad idea to ban them so see post revising the Abrahamic religions. The conclusion I have reached to date is as follows

Just repeating an idea i had earlier What FB has just done with Nick Clegg is interesting An independent court to help Fb and other social media platforms make decisions as to which content should be included/excluded. The courts rulings are binding
Perhaps there should be an International court of moderate religious leaders , Abrahamic of course, whose job it is to interpret all those verses that encourage violence, hatred, divisiveness etc. and either change them, remove them or probably the best option, rule, in a binding way on the best way that they should be re-interpreted . The rulings would be binding on all Rabbis, Priests, Vicars, Imams and so on ...........and if the rules are broken that teacher/preacher is punished forthwith. Even if the verses cannot be re-interpreted then there should be added a modern day explanation why the verse is not appropriate in today's society. it would be a start.The various explanations should be included in the religious texts
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
I'd say that it is you that has bought the lie, and judging from your avatar, more than just the religious one. I can do a comparison of Christianity and Americanism similar to the one I just did comparing Islam and Christianity. Patriotism is just a secular religion, complete with its own myths (cherry tree and log splitting presidents instead of babes in the reeds and virgin births), symbols (flags, eagles and Uncle Sam instead of Jesus, Mary and the cross), precious documents (original parchments/papyri for each). Patriotism or faith. Traitor or infidel. The Ten Commandments and The Bill of Rights. Manifest destiny and American exceptionalism vs. the Chosen People. The Pilgrims and the Exodus. Godless Communists and suicide bombers. "I pledge allegiance" and "Our Father who art in heaven." "Communism is my enemy" and "Islam is my enemy." Honor vs righteousness. Lapel flags and crosses. He died for your rights or he died for your salvation.

Serving God and serving country: It's all fantasy and tribalism, and it exists to convince you and me to underwrite and/or die for somebody else's agenda.



I see Christianity as the aggressor. It certainly has been in the case of atheists. It has successfully demonized and marginalizied atheists and atheism for millennia, although lately, we are breaking through, finding our voice, fighting back, and defining ourselves. Christianity isn't too happy about it.

When I was born, atheists were considered morally unfit to teach, coach, adopt, hold public office, or serve on juries or as expert witnesses. That's due to nothing but millennia of biblical hate speech rendered as Christian bigotry. The Christian Bible teaches that unbelievers arelying, corrupt, vile, wicked, abominable, decadent, debauched, godless vessels of darkness in the service of evil, not one of whom does any good, fit to be shunned and to be burned alive forever as enemies of a good god, and the moral equivalent of murderers and whoremongers. If you are unfamiliar with the specific scriptures, I'd be glad to provide them upon request, but I'm pretty sure you don't want me reproducing those scriptures here.



Isn't it about time for Christians to accept responsibility for their plight? My opinion of Christianity stems from having been a Christian, and from observing Christians in the news and in venues like this one. It is people like you that "indoctrinate" me. I'm not really interested in anybody else's opinion of Christianity, and I can't be indoctrinated. Nobody has any chance of inserting an idea into my head through repetition, which is probably the case with most people trained in critical thinking. They're rational skeptics, meaning they question all claims, rejecting those that are insufficiently supported by reason applied to evidence.

If we could be reached that way, you'd have indoctrinated us all by now with your repetitious memes such as this persecution meme, or your progressive indoctrinee meme. You simply repeat these claims over and over and over again, never noticing that your non-Christian audience is unaffected by your efforts. Save those for Sunday school, where you get people to sing "Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so" over and over, offering no evidence that this Jesus exists, that he loves anybody, or that the Bible should be believed. Indoctrination occurs if the target eventually receives the implanted meme uncritically. Intellectual plankton, floating in the current of the thoughts of others.

My tradition, academic-style teaching and learning, is nothing like that and rejects that kind of thinking. The professor doesn't mindlessly repeat an unsupported meme like creationism. He'll show you the evidence that Darwin had at his disposal, for instance, and what he concluded from that. It won't be repeated again, and you won't be asked if you believe it, just do you remember what was taught. Intellectual nekton.



Agreed, but we're referring to different things. I'm referring to the decline in America caused by conservatism and the willingness of the American electorate to vote for criinals..



The Jews don't want you hitchhiking onto them, either. You're the first spin-off from from Judaism's Happy Days. You're Laverne and Shirley, Islam is Mork and Mindy, and Mormonism is Joannie Loves Chahchi.



Jesus has nothing to do with Abraham. Nobody is opposed to Jesus. The Muslims simply don't believe in that myth. Nor do I.



Still with this false narrative? You're the only one saying so. Your approach is to try to excuse the 22% (or whatever the correct number is) of the world's ills caused by religion by claiming that others are saying 100%, then calling your straw man ridiculous. It's Christiana pologetics that is ridiculous, and like Hitchens, I claim the right to criticize it.



Fantasy. The most anti-Christian institute is the Christian church. We watch it and judge what it does.



Please. I'm an atheist who has been the victim of your religion. I wish to see it disappear, and I am unapologetic about it. I expect the LGBTQ+ community to have the same opinion. Just go away.



People want Christianity to shut up and butt out of the lives of non-Christians. Learn how to be good neighbors, and that might change.

Christianity teaches people to view people like me as immoral. How should I view it? It's an enemy, and I don't love enemies - a foolish idea in the first place. I will fight back, and encourage others to do so by example.



There you go again. Poor you. So persecuted. The most persecuted majority that the world has ever known. Just leave the planet and let the rest of us make progress without Christianity's impediments.





Only on your people, not mine. The religious believe by faith. Just repeat your meme to them over and over, and you can capture them.



I have no reason to believe that such a person existed, or that if he did, his promises mean anything.



It is religion that teaches that animals are inferior to human beings. Secular humanism teaches that they are our fellow pilgrims in this adventure called life. I reject that ethic.



We don't need religion for that, nor is it as good as secular humanism in promoting such qualities.



Why not. It's as valid as Christianity. It has as much evidentiary support - none.



Sinners? There is no reason to believe that sin or sinners exists.

So, you DON'T know that Scientology is an ATHEIST religion?
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Isn't it also a cult of personality? If so, that's more like new-Theist.
New-Theist...With a naval theme...

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hyperlink >>> wikipedia.org - Sea Org - Scientology
hyperlink >>> wearethemighty.com - The Church of Scientology has its own paramilitary Navy
 

allright

Active Member
IMO Given the harm they do, given all the trouble caused in the world by them they should be banned, but how? People have the right to believe what they will and worship as they see fit. These are human rights, but they turn people against people, spawn extremism and give their followers a false and divisive view of the world.
How could they be banned? How can these divisive, misleading, tribal, anachronistic dogmatic and destructive forces be done away with without the obvious cries of outrage.
We would have to tread very carefully. How could it be done? What would the first steps be.
I would suggest a piecemeal ban of various passages as a start. For example everything that stirs up hatred of another religion or violence towards another should be edited out.
Is it the case that we are powerless even to take the first step in this direction because of human rights and the good (far outweighed by the bad IMO) these religions sometimes do.
Can we really not sort this nonsense out?
My solution would be to ban all the holy books and just allow Genesis up to 9:19 (everything after that is just tribal self-interest but that is unrealistic and dictatorial.
What else could be done? Just keep in mind the thousands of lives that have been lost / ruined because of these divisive forces.


Right the Communists band all religion and gave us Stalin a bigger mass murder than Hitler

Get real
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
@It Aint Necessarily So, you are aware that there was a strong humanist movement within the Church that predates the enlightenment period, right? Rome had intellectuals like Dante and Petrarch, and Popes like Pius II. There are literally hundreds more.

...This all (very unfortunately) ended in 1527, with the German barbarians sacking Rome and taking the West back to a very primitive mindset. These primitives are to blame for making Christianity look barbaric like Islam already was... It became barbarism galore everywhere.
 
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allright

Active Member
You reckon? I don't think Stalin, as nasty as he was, caused a Holocaust.


After the war Stalin thought Jews in Russia were against him

He was getting ready to send all the Jews in Russia to death camps in Siberia but he died a week before is was

scheduled to happen
 

1213

Well-Known Member
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Explain this please.

Planning to ban Abrahamic religions, doesn’t differ from what you criticize. It would cause lot of trouble and suffering. And even the whole accusation that you have against Abrahamic religions seems to be dishonest and evil.
 

Kilk1

Member
IMO Given the harm they do, given all the trouble caused in the world by them they should be banned, but how? People have the right to believe what they will and worship as they see fit. These are human rights, but they turn people against people, spawn extremism and give their followers a false and divisive view of the world.
How could they be banned? How can these divisive, misleading, tribal, anachronistic dogmatic and destructive forces be done away with without the obvious cries of outrage.
We would have to tread very carefully. How could it be done? What would the first steps be.
I would suggest a piecemeal ban of various passages as a start. For example everything that stirs up hatred of another religion or violence towards another should be edited out.
Is it the case that we are powerless even to take the first step in this direction because of human rights and the good (far outweighed by the bad IMO) these religions sometimes do.
Can we really not sort this nonsense out?
My solution would be to ban all the holy books and just allow Genesis up to 9:19 (everything after that is just tribal self-interest but that is unrealistic and dictatorial.
What else could be done? Just keep in mind the thousands of lives that have been lost / ruined because of these divisive forces.
Is banning Christianity supposed to be tolerant? Instead of banning the New Testament, why couldn't we just ban the act of religious violence?
 
To original poster

I see so I should stop following Jesus and make you my God to tell me whats right or wrong

No thanks

Its very tempting but Ill stick with Jesus

Is banning Christianity supposed to be tolerant? Instead of banning the New Testament, why couldn't we just ban the act of religious violence?
See my other threads
Of course you are right. i was playing devil's advocate
 
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