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Featured Should Bahaism be allowed to be practiced in Iran.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Link, Jun 23, 2022 at 11:36 AM.

  1. Link

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    People who speak like this and don't believe in hell, and speak of love, always on side of oppressors in my view. Never with the backbone to stand for oppressed.

    So this tells me something.
     
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    All religions should be freely able to exist in all nations without prejudice and without atrocities against those who practice them. The history of violence and discrimination against Zoroastrians in Persia/Iran is long and dark.
     
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    I wouldn't have much choice or say so. Personally, I wouldn't care. Such organizations do not survive very long on US soil, they either lose steam/numbers or get shut down. But not for their religion but for their violent tendencies.

    I don't consider Baha'i a threat, violent or terroristic. They just differ from my views. No big deal for me.

    Iran, however, is a theocratic republic. The authority there gets to chose who and what is legal. I don't agree often. It's not my country.
     
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    Oh i believe hell is real.
    Hate and anger arise from Hell, so i will no longer use anger or hate toward others. I learn from my own mistakes.

    You are free to have your own opinion of course
     
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    There's something to keep in mind. The so called house of justice leads them in interpretation of religion.

    Unlike Muslims, you have extreme interpretations that justify terrorism, taking slaves, etc, that can be countered by other Muslims interpretation, and be fought.

    That so called house of justice has interpreted their religion and is followed, against Shiite Muslims and Iran and justify working against us and oppression we face they take as a punishment from God.

    It's against the national security of the country to allow them to be free and propagate against the security of the country.
     
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    Of course not, they did most Shah's bidding and were governors under Shah, which was a dictator US (your country) put in. But they are a threat to us.
     
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    Can you give example from Baha'i teaching that justify terror against Iran?
    Iran is not a heaven on earth, with their view of other people who are different than them selves.
     
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    Already explained.
     
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    Did you qoute the Baha'i teaching? Or did you just say your own intepretation of their teaching?

    By the way, have you read their teaching at all?
     
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    I'm going by what Bahais on this forum told me about their teachings.
     
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    Are you 100% sure they have understood it fully, or maybe they explained it out of their own understanding?

    If you are going to truly be able to come with good arguments toward Baha'is and their teaching. Maybe you gain wisdom from reading their teaching your self?

    You often claim people don't know the Quran or understand the true meaning of the text in the Quran.
    You should follow that thought when you criticize other peoples faith and belief too.
     
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    Maybe, but it seems Shiite Muslims been telling me this. I thought it was propaganda, that they support Israel, work against Iran, etc, but seems to be true by the way @InvestigateTruth justifies our oppression we face through Quran.

    That said, I'm sure Khamanei (ha) doesn't have a problem against freedom of religion. I think he knows more about the situation then me. I always thought he inherited a decision from Khomeini (q) because they worked under Shah against Shiites and did many crimes, and that was only reason, but now see their interpretation is a continuous threat against national interest and security of Iran.

    So I don't know the details like Khamanei (h) but will support him on this from now on. While before I criticized this about him (being foolish and soft hearted with people, assuming good of people, but now know better).
     
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    I don't endorse any dictatorship. Neither under a Shah or an Ayatollah.

    I suppose some Baha'i we're working for the Shahs. So were Shiites, Christians and Jews. No reason to pick on a whole group for the misdeeds of a few, really. Especially considering Baha'i are generally peaceable and friendly. But so are most Shiites, Christians or Jews.
     
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    So again you going to a secondhand sourse (other shiites) to gain information about Baha'i socalled propaganda against Iran?
     
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    But it was mostly them. I use to think they were "friendly and peaceful" but now seeing their interpretation of Quran, no way. I won't accept that.
     
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    So your religion is the United States? Maybe others should expect people like you to come with an irrelevant comparison and a slight insult to about 2 billion people as "perspectives"?
     
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    I don't know too much. But I'm saying now I going to trust Khamanei (h). From what they told me, Bahais on this forum, I support Khamanei (h) decision and Khamanei (h) knows way more then me on this, concerning national security and Bahai views.

    I was way too naïve in the past about this. Never again.
     
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    Brother. The Bahai faith was non-existent when the true inventor of the faith lived in Iran. Shirazi and his movement was a rebellion against the then government. Though their faith is predominantly based on Shii Imami foundation, they were rebels. The current Bahai's, especially in this very forum are absolutely ignorant of their own faith. Sorry but that's the truth.

    It's best not speak from hearsay.
     
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    Iran has a national monument honoring Jews who fought against western supported at that time Saddam war against Iran.

    Per @InvestigateTruth this all God's punishment against us for not accepting their two Prophets.

    .."..makes the prosecution of people as if God's punishment..." (found in Surah Ankabut).
     
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    Link. I can tell you one thing.

    Never ever in your entire life should you learn about Bahai'sm from the Bahai's in this forum. They can take this as derogatory if anyone pleases but Bahai's in this forum are not educated in the Bahai faith. If you want to understand this religion, stop calling it a cult, and read their books. You know arabic. So the most important books in their faith are written in Arabic. Not in Parsi. Take them and read.

    You will understand much more. Also you should remember that their faith was born off an attempted coup against the Iranian government. Their whole political background stems from spewing propaganda against the Iranian regime. I don't know if the regimes are super holy or not and that's not relevant to me, but the Shirazi movement was an attempted coup against the regime. It was mitigated brutally. So it's natural for the Bahai's to still talk about the same sentiments blaming the Iranian government as "Muslims" who were violent. There are enough and more history books on the installation of the Bahai movement. Take and read brotherman.

    Peace.
     
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