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Short Proof of Evolution by Ian Johnston

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
Here is a link to an article written by a professor who provides an airtight case for evolution in just a few paragraphs. The article does not discuss natural selection (the primary mechanism that drives evolution), and thus does not explain how evolution works. But, it does explain, as concisely as possible, why we know that evolution is a fact beyond reasonable doubt. Have fun with this one, creationists.

Short Proof of Evolution
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
The main difference between creationist and evolutionists is that evolutionists can point to bones and fossils and say that they prove evolution. Creationists point to God as proof of creation. But since you cannot see God the evolutionists say there there is no proof. Evolutionists only want proof they can see and touch but that does not mean an invisible untouchable God does not exist. Also there are many gaps in the fossil records. Evolutionists may look at a tiny feagment of bone and try to say it proves something. May a fragment of fish bone was found in a bird nest. Does that prove fish evoled from birds ? Or maybe just that a bird ate a fish? Sometimes "proof" cannot be seen or touched.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
The main difference between creationist and evolutionists is that evolutionists can point to bones and fossils and say that they prove evolution. Creationists point to God as proof of creation. But since you cannot see God the evolutionists say there there is no proof. Evolutionists only want proof they can see and touch but that does not mean an invisible untouchable God does not exist. Also there are many gaps in the fossil records. Evolutionists may look at a tiny feagment of bone and try to say it proves something. May a fragment of fish bone was found in a bird nest. Does that prove fish evoled from birds ? Or maybe just that a bird ate a fish? Sometimes "proof" cannot be seen or touched.

If you find a piece of bone, then that is a sign that there is bone there. You make it sound as if science is just
making silly wild speculation. It is not.

Gaps- So, what, exactly?

You know, there are also gaps in t he record of your life.

There are gaps in the history of WW2, of the roman Empire, and, even, the life of JC.

So, what is your point? Why bother saying it?
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
The main difference between creationist and evolutionists is that evolutionists can point to bones and fossils and say that they prove evolution. Creationists point to God as proof of creation. But since you cannot see God the evolutionists say there there is no proof. Evolutionists only want proof they can see and touch but that does not mean an invisible untouchable God does not exist. Also there are many gaps in the fossil records. Evolutionists may look at a tiny feagment of bone and try to say it proves something. May a fragment of fish bone was found in a bird nest. Does that prove fish evoled from birds ? Or maybe just that a bird ate a fish? Sometimes "proof" cannot be seen or touched.
I've never seen DNA, have you?
A fragment of a fish bone in a bird nest probably proves the bird hunts and eats fish
 

Audie

Veteran Member
The main difference between creationist and evolutionists is that evolutionists can point to bones and fossils and say that they prove evolution. Creationists point to God as proof of creation. But since you cannot see God the evolutionists say there there is no proof. Evolutionists only want proof they can see and touch but that does not mean an invisible untouchable God does not exist. Also there are many gaps in the fossil records. Evolutionists may look at a tiny feagment of bone and try to say it proves something. May a fragment of fish bone was found in a bird nest. Does that prove fish evoled from birds ? Or maybe just that a bird ate a fish? Sometimes "proof" cannot be seen or touched.

Oh, and, no that is not remotely what the main difference is.

Science is a culture of doubt. Religion is a culture of faith. Those are like, totally opposite.

Also, in science it is best not to just make things up.
Due diligence in making correct statements.

That means nothing to a creo.

Note-
point to bones and fossils and say that they prove evolution

Nonsense. JUST for one thing, science does not do
"proof".

Why do you say untrue made up things?
 

Thermos aquaticus

Well-Known Member
I've never seen DNA, have you?

There's this thing called the internet. It has pictures on it.

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That white stringy stuff is DNA. In fact, you can learn how to extract DNA using stuff lying around your house and stuff you can buy at any grocery store.

Grade 10-12

A fragment of a fish bone in a bird nest probably proves the bird hunts and eats fish

And a fossil with a mixture of ape and human features is evidence that there was once a species with a mixture of ape and human features. Since the theory of evolution predicts that such species existed in the past, this is evidence for the theory of evolution.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
There's this thing called the internet. It has pictures on it.

exp4_5.gif


That white stringy stuff is DNA. In fact, you can learn how to extract DNA using stuff lying around your house and stuff you can buy at any grocery store.

Grade 10-12



And a fossil with a mixture of ape and human features is evidence that there was once a species with a mixture of ape and human features. Since the theory of evolution predicts that such species existed in the past, this is evidence for the theory of evolution.

Evidence. Note the use of the word "evidence".

Like, you see this guy running down the street with
a gun in one hand and a sack of money in the other.

That may be evidence that he robbed the bank.

You will want evidence of all sorts, put it together.
Maybe he happened to be making a video.

Or maybe, the video is from the bank, showing he is
the robber.

A fish bone in a bird nest could mean fish evolved from
birds? Not so much.
 

Thermos aquaticus

Well-Known Member
Evolutionists only want proof they can see and touch but that does not mean an invisible untouchable God does not exist.

“I mean, you could claim that anything's real if the only basis for believing in it is that nobody's proved it doesn't exist!”--JK Rowling

Also there are many gaps in the fossil records. Evolutionists may look at a tiny feagment of bone and try to say it proves something. May a fragment of fish bone was found in a bird nest. Does that prove fish evoled from birds ? Or maybe just that a bird ate a fish? Sometimes "proof" cannot be seen or touched.

This is more than a tiny fragment of bone:


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gnostic

The Lost One
May a fragment of fish bone was found in a bird nest. Does that prove fish evoled from birds ? Or maybe just that a bird ate a fish? Sometimes "proof" cannot be seen or touched.
Some birds do catch and eat fishes.

Pelicans and the various species of the genus Haliaeetus, which lay people referred to them as “sea eagles”, and the ospreys (hawks from the genus Pandion), which the ospreys were also known as “sea hawk”, “river hawk” or “fish hawk”.

No scientist says that bird evolve “DIRECTLY” from fishes, just as no scientist say dogs evolved “directly” from cats or vice versa.

Only people who never bother to study biology, would make up idiotic strawman.
 
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Wille Zaan

New Member
Good day to all .

What the bible say is law, finished.

God our creator and master of all and master of all skills .

1. God created heavens and the earth.
2. After all the plant to thier SPIECES.
3. After all the animals to thier SPIECES.

Oh,oh. Listen to this . After all those other wonderfull creations that God made ,HE, HE our glourious GOD made us humans in his own image . IN HIS OWN OWN IMAGE.

Now to come to the point. Thier are alot of theories out and about that when come from our ape friens. Apsolute horse @#£_.
The GOD I believe in does no look like a monkey. And He does not act like one.

Ive never seen a monkey or ape.
do open heart surgary.

Never have i seen a monkey or ape make art.

GOD Is awesome all everything he does .
Some of you are gonna say ah you overthinking the situation . No propblem thats cool.

You must remember 1 thing we are spiritual beings in a EARTHLY VESSEL.

GOD WILL NOT START OVER EVERY SINGLE TIME FROM SCRATCH WITH HIS NEXT DESIGN. YES FINE A LOT OF ANIMALS HAVE USE ALMOST IDENTICAL DNA STRUCTURES.

- But it is not to say we are part of those animals. He used fundimental building blocks from all his spieces codes to make up the next and every unique plant ,animal ,you name that we have on earth today. ( This is an example only) He did not take a wheel and reinvent it becuase it already works like it should. He just molded the surface structure diffrently and changed basic components of the tyres composition so that has certain caracteristics like grip . (Geeckos)Does not ware off quick(tortoise age as also some other large sea animals )the tyre works well in wet conditions ( sea life ) ect, ect.

Wierd example. Our bum . Each living animal has a bum to poo. A nose to breath yes dont dont all look the same because its GODS art work . Each one unique in his own way.

Every birds have wings. God just desided some will not fly as he tended them not to fly . ( What would you think will happen if a ostrich would fly into a airbus a 380 at 10000 feet).
He made them with other unique trates like thier feathers thier meat and thier skin..

Our God has planned everything from scratch. Everything in its place and time and everthing has its own unique time for its time is written for a reason only HE knows. since the day of creation.
This is his creation , He alone knows the end date.


My apologies if I offended anyone as i did not do it intensionally. Everybody is allowed its own opnion. This is my view of life on and in this wonderfull creation .

To those that believe in evo good . Ill see you at the pearly Gates

Love and peace Out
 

gnostic

The Lost One
The main difference between creationist and evolutionists is that evolutionists can point to bones and fossils and say that they prove evolution. Creationists point to God as proof of creation. But since you cannot see God the evolutionists say there there is no proof. Evolutionists only want proof they can see and touch but that does not mean an invisible untouchable God does not exist. Also there are many gaps in the fossil records. Evolutionists may look at a tiny feagment of bone and try to say it proves something. May a fragment of fish bone was found in a bird nest. Does that prove fish evoled from birds ? Or maybe just that a bird ate a fish? Sometimes "proof" cannot be seen or touched.

It is “evidence”, not “proof”.

In science and maths, proof and evidence are not the same things.

The fossils, the fossil records, are evidences, not proofs.

Proof is a logic statement, like mathematical statements in the forms as equations or formulas. The logic used, is man-made, so it could be right or wrong.

Proof is a logical solution, and therefore often abstract; it is not a real world solution.

Evidence is real world solution that will either “verify” the statements (statements in the explanatory form of hypothesis or a theory), or “refute” the statements.

Until the statements can be rigorously tested, through finding verifiable evidences or through repeatable experiments, then no one can determine if the statements are true or false.

In the hypothesis, a scientist may provide some of these equations or formulas along with their explanation.

If the evidences support or back both the explanation and the maths, then that’s great. But what if the tests don’t support the maths, then it is clear, that one should ditch the maths (proofs), not the evidences.

Do you understand what I am saying here, lostwanderingsoul?

I am saying that proof isn’t the same as evidence, and science, and I mean real “experimental science” (as opposed to “theoretical science”), relied more on the testable evidences than on the maths (proofs).

(With theoretical science, it is the opposite, where theoretical scientists relied more on the maths, and therefore on proofs, than on testable evidences. Theoretical science are not real science, because they are not “testable” at this stage.

Theoretical science only provide possible and “proposed” solutions. Superstring theory and cyclical universe models are not “scientific theories” because they cannot meet the requirements of Scientific Method, they are fields of theoretical physics, relying on solution of complex equations.)
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
You say "proof is a logical solution". But what if there is more than one "logical solution"? They cannot all be correct. You might say that it is logical that man evolved from apes. I might say it is logical man was created by God. Who decides which is correct? Who decides what is logical?
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Good day to all .

What the bible say is law, finished.

yes, that is what some people believe, but with very little supporting evidence.

God our creator and master of all and master of all skills .

1. God created heavens and the earth.
2. After all the plant to thier SPIECES.
3. After all the animals to thier SPIECES.

Oh,oh. Listen to this . After all those other wonderfull creations that God made ,HE, HE our glourious GOD made us humans in his own image . IN HIS OWN OWN IMAGE.

Yes, that is what some people believe, but with very little supporting evidence.

Now to come to the point. Thier are alot of theories out and about that when come from our ape friens. Apsolute horse @#£_.
The GOD I believe in does no look like a monkey. And He does not act like one.

Ive never seen a monkey or ape.
do open heart surgary.

Never have i seen a monkey or ape make art.

None of which is required even if we are related to them.

GOD Is awesome all everything he does .
Some of you are gonna say ah you overthinking the situation . No propblem thats cool.

You must remember 1 thing we are spiritual beings in a EARTHLY VESSEL.

GOD WILL NOT START OVER EVERY SINGLE TIME FROM SCRATCH WITH HIS NEXT DESIGN. YES FINE A LOT OF ANIMALS HAVE USE ALMOST IDENTICAL DNA STRUCTURES.

- But it is not to say we are part of those animals. He used fundimental building blocks from all his spieces codes to make up the next and every unique plant ,animal ,you name that we have on earth today. ( This is an example only) He did not take a wheel and reinvent it becuase it already works like it should. He just molded the surface structure diffrently and changed basic components of the tyres composition so that has certain caracteristics like grip . (Geeckos)Does not ware off quick(tortoise age as also some other large sea animals )the tyre works well in wet conditions ( sea life ) ect, ect.

And how do you take into account that the types of species that exist has changed over time? And that new species that are very similar to older species always replace the older ones? And that the changes build up over time? Because that *is* evolution.

Wierd example. Our bum . Each living animal has a bum to poo. A nose to breath yes dont dont all look the same because its GODS art work . Each one unique in his own way.

Every birds have wings. God just desided some will not fly as he tended them not to fly . ( What would you think will happen if a ostrich would fly into a airbus a 380 at 10000 feet).
He made them with other unique trates like thier feathers thier meat and thier skin..

Our God has planned everything from scratch. Everything in its place and time and everthing has its own unique time for its time is written for a reason only HE knows. since the day of creation.
This is his creation , He alone knows the end date.


My apologies if I offended anyone as i did not do it intensionally. Everybody is allowed its own opnion. This is my view of life on and in this wonderfull creation .

It's not offensive. But we have heard these claims before. Many, many times. Always without any actual evidence to back them up. On the other hand, science *has* the evidence to back up its claims. So, in my mind, the viewpoint with evidence and testable hypotheses wins.

To those that believe in evo good . Ill see you at the pearly Gates

Love and peace Out

And if there are no pearly gates? The implied threat is noted.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
You say "proof is a logical solution". But what if there is more than one "logical solution"? They cannot all be correct. You might say that it is logical that man evolved from apes. I might say it is logical man was created by God. Who decides which is correct? Who decides what is logical?

Well, the observational evidence of fossils and how they change over geological time is a good reason to believe one over the other.
 
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