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Shem was born on 1558 JE (Jewish Era), and died 600 years later, 2158 JE.
Abraham was born in 1948 JE, and died at age 175, hence 2123 JE.
Shem died 35 years after Abraham. Shem was 565 when Abraham died.
See my webpage on Timeline of the Patriarchs from Dark Mirrors of Heaven, particularly the 2nd chart.
Note that JE referred to the time since the beginning. Adam died at age 930, so the Jewish Era would be 930 JE. Seth was born when Adam was 130, so 130 JE. When Enosh was born and Seth was 105, that would mean 235 JE (130+105=235 JE). That's how I work out each generation.
Noah was born in 1056 JE. It say that Noah was 600 when the Flood came, so that was 1656 JE.
There's only 367 years between the Flood and Abraham (at age 75) leaving Haran for Bethel in Canaan.
s-word said:Correct, now could Shem who was the heir apparent to Noah, have been the Spiritual centre and ruler of all of Noahs descendants, in other words, was he the Melchizedek who blessed Abraham and to whom Abraham gave a tenth of all the loot that he had taken?
So is the answer 575? I also read that It appears that Nahor (brother of Abraham), Terah, Nahor, Serug, Reu, Peleg, Eber, Salah, Arphaxad, Shem, and Noah, all lived on the earth at the same time."
That could be a possibility, but I don't think we could ever know for sure.
So it is merely speculation....a very interesting speculation.
What make you think Shem is Melchizedek?
That could be a possibility, but I don't think we could ever know for sure.
So it is merely speculation....a very interesting speculation.
What make you think Shem is Melchizedek?
s-word said:It is written in the ancient scriptures that Michael taught Shem how the bodies of men should be buried. It was he who prepared the body of Adam and after placing it in a stone sarcophagus, the body of Adam was hidden inside a mountain, so that no one could do anything to his body until his rib will have returned to him in six days time.
Legends of the Jews said:Nature was modified also by the burial of the corpse of Abel. For a long time it lay there exposed, above ground, because Adam and Eve knew not what to do with it. They sat beside it and wept, while the faithful dog of Abel kept guard that birds and beasts did it no harm. On a sudden, the mourning parents observed how a raven scratched the earth away in one spot, and then hid a dead bird of his own kind in the ground. Adam, following the example of the raven, buried the body of Abel, and the raven was rewarded by God.
According to the Haggada (see Legends of the Jews, Book I Chapter 3, under
THE PUNISHMENT OF CAIN), it say that Adam and Eve did not know what to do with body, until they saw raven burying another (dead) bird.
gnostic and S-word state, "First of all, I have to agree with you that it is merely speculation, but everything within me tells me that Shem was in the line of succession to the first Melchizedek, who I believe was Noah the spiritual centre and king of all his descendants, but Noah was dead at the time of Abrahams wanderings in the land of Canaan."
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Melchisedec in scripture is not recognized in any line of succession, even though Melchisedec can be a knowledge within people from generation to generation.
Rather than an individual person reincarnated as the first, second, third, etc, Melchisedec throughout the Bible chronology unto Jesus, I've recognized Melchisedec as a spiritual continuation of God's eternal word (Ecc 3:14-15), "..Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.(Heb 7:1-3), which is why Jesus said that if you don't already know the word of God before you hear Jesus speak it then you cannot understand what Jesus says at all (John 5:30,37-39).
gnostic,
The speculations in these posts I won't mention, since evidence has little to do with an opinion, but Paul wasn't offering an off hand opinion about Melchisedec.
In Matthew 22:42-46 Jesus asked the Pharisees who had collected about Him, who was Christ the son of. The Pharisees answered that Christ was the son of David. Jesus' answer in Matthew 22:44 was a quote from Psalms 110:1. Jesus was not a one-verse-charlie, but was referring to the whole passage of Psalms 110, where in Psalms 110:4 the LORD said unto the Lord of David that David's Lord is the priest in the order of Melchisedec.
Jesus asked the Pharisees, If David called him Lord, how is He his son? Matthew 22:45
The Pharisee, not able to fathum the difference between genetic descendents and God's perpetual abode within the living (Matthew 22:29-32; Luke 17:21) shut their face and never talked about that stuff again (Matthew 22:46).
davis esquire said:In Matthew 22:42-46 Jesus asked the Pharisees who had collected about Him, who was Christ the son of. The Pharisees answered that Christ was the son of David. Jesus' answer in Matthew 22:44 was a quote from Psalms 110:1. Jesus was not a one-verse-charlie, but was referring to the whole passage of Psalms 110, where in Psalms 110:4 the LORD said unto the Lord of David that David's Lord is the priest in the order of Melchisedec.
pslam 110:1 said:The LORD said to my lord,
"Sit at My right hand
while I make your enemies your footstool."
Genesis 14:20 said:...And blessed be God Most Hight
Who has delievered your foes into your hand."
Noah and Imotep are Melchizedek.
It was in the days of Enoch’s father, ‘Jared,’ which name means “Descending” that the Sons of God came down and defiled themselves with the daughters of men, and by possessing the bodies of the men while they were with their wives they were able to pass on their issue and giants were born in the earth.
In ancient Jewish tradition, both Enoch and Noah were giants. Enoch, who was born of the physical seed of his earthly father ‘Jared,’ was born of the spiritual seed of his heavenly father Cain the shinning one. Enoch is the one year old unblemished Lamb of God. At the Age of 365, the number of days in a calendar year the unblemished one who had walked with God all his days, was carried up to heaven where he was translated from a being of flesh to a being of brilliant light, as was the body of the man Jesus from Nazareth, which blinded the eyes of Saul=Paul.
In heaven, the Lord commanded Michael to strip Enoch of his mortal garment and to anoint him with the sweet smelling ointment of God which shone with a greater brilliance than the sun, and behold, Enoch was as one of the glorious ones. There, girded and clothed with fire, he was to serve God before the body of Adam (Mankind) into all eternity. He was then command to write down the soul of every person who would ever live and record the position for each soul into all eternity, for all souls are prepared to eternity.
After the author of the book of life, had written 366 books in his ascent to the ends of all things, where he witnessed the heavens roll up as a scroll with a great hissing noise and watched as the universal elements burned up and fell as massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth into the Great Abyss that is the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven, he was then commanded to return to earth and reveal his writings to his children.
Among those writing, we read in the Book of Jubilees, that Enoch the accuser of his brothers wrote down the condemnation and judgment of the world, and all the wickedness of the children of men. And on account of it, his heavenly father brought the waters of the flood upon all the land etc. An ancient angel colder than ice was then called forward and commanded to touch the face of Enoch, and the Lord said to him, “If thy face were not frozen here, then no man could behold thee.”
From the ‘Book of Enoch the Prophet’ CVI: 1-6, “Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became pregnant by him and bore a son. And his body was as white as snow and as red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair on his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness. And his father Lamech was afraid of him, (Just as Eve was terrified when she first saw Cain the shinning one and thought to kill him) and Lamech fled and ran to his father Methuselah. And he said to him: “I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different, and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious. And it seems that he is not sprung from me, but from the angels. And I fear that in his days, a wonder may be wrought on the earth.
The pre-existing Spirit that opened the mouth of that angelic like body that was named Noah, was that of Enoch, the only spirit to have been redeemed from the old world, that was destroyed by water. The baptismal waters in which Adam, the old indwelling father spirit died, and from which Baptismal waters, the new man arose.
As the wife of Noah and the wives of his three sons were all descendants of Enoch’s six sons, Methusulah, Rigam, Riman, Urchan, Cherminion and Giadad, then every descendant of Noah, is a tent or tabernacle of the chosen heir to the throne of Godhead of the previous world.
Behind the veil that hangs before the inner most sanctuary of every tabernacle descended from Noah, dwelt the Father who rose Jesus from death and placed him in his heavenly throne as the cornerstone to the new Temple that he is building, in which Glorious Temple of light that flesh and blood cannot inherit, the Lord Almighty will dwell on earth among mankind.
After revealing himself through his obedient servant Jesus, to whom he has given divine glory by placing him in his throne; He, who could never die, having been given the gift of eternal life, was torn asunder and his immortal body was poured out as fire on all they who believed his words as spoken through his obedient servant Jesus, who did, nor said one word other than that which he was commanded to say and do by our Father who revealed himself through his earthly image Jesus.
After he had been made dead in the flesh, but alive in spirit, Jesus descended to preach the Good News to those who were dead relative to those who lived during the Roman Empire, Jesus the obedient servant to the Father of Israel who came to his own and was rejected, and who was placed in his throne in the line of succession to Melchizedek, opened the mouth of the angelic like Baby who was called Noah and conversed with the Lord, through which body of Noah, He who is now our indwelling Father, preached the Good News also to those who were disobedient in the days when the Ark was being built.
Christ: “The Anointed one”—is Enoch. From the Book of Enoch the prophet 37: 4, “Till the present day such wisdom has never been given by the Lord of spirits as I have received according to my insight, according to the good pleasure of the Lord of spirits by whom the lot of eternal life has been given to me.” This is verified in Genesis 5: 24, and Hebrews 11: 5, “By faith Enoch was translated in order that he should not experience death. He was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony that he had pleased God.
S-word,
Jesus' last name is not Christ, but the testimony He learned (Jer 10:23-24; John 5:30) is the Christ (John 5:30; 1Cor 10:3-4), even though "..BY THE SAME WORD (2Pet 3:7)..." many have been fooled by priests (Jer 23:1-3,15,28-30; Ps 1:1-4) and can't tell the difference (Heb 9:17; 2Cor 5:19; Heb 9:28; 2Cor 5:21).
The priest Melchisedec speaks the word that always was, is and will be (Eph 3:14-15). A Son of God hears it as God defines it (Num 23:19; Luke 16:16,31; 17:21), and the Christ is both Son of man and Son of God who came to confuse idiots who believe each other (Matt 10:34-36; Micah 7:4-6; Matt 19:17; Micah 7:7)
Jesus did His work well (Matt 22:29-32; Heb 9:28; 2Cor 5:20).
s-word said:Enoch, the only exception of all mankind to have ascended to the ends of this universal cycle and witnessed the heavens falling as fire into the Great Abyss that is the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven.
What about Elijah? Didn't he ascend as well?
Taken by chariot of fire, if I recalled it correctly....