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define "celestial kingdom"?Aqualung said:I say no, as well. I say that only believers go to heaven, but not all believers go to heaven. (And by heaven I mean the celestial kingdom).
I say "yes." But I also say that most non-believers will go to Heaven, too. Jesus Christ said that He will reward all men according to their works. I don't believe that everybody who will go to heaven will receive exactly the same reward. But, I think that very, very few will end up not receiving some degree of God's glory and being cast out of Heaven entirely.wmam said:I say no.
What do you say?
He loves us all the same, but some people don't earn it. It would be very unloving to give two people exactly the same thing when one person deserves it more than the other.Buttons* said:...did i miss something? Why would God reward some with a higher level of heaven? Doesn't he love us all the same? (sorry if this doesnt fit here)
personally i dont believe in heaven or hell, so i guess my opinion is pointless in this thread....
If by "heaven" you mean the celestial kingdom, where they will reside with the Father in all his glory, than no. If by "heaven" you mean they will go to a place is a billion times better than anything here, and whatnot, then yes.Buttercup said:As a side question because I don't know the answer to this....Do LDS' think Christian believers from other denominations go to Heaven?
Buttons, my dear, your opinion is always welcome and never pointless. Given that you believe in neither heaven nor hell, my answer to you may be pointless, though.Buttons* said:...did i miss something? Why would God reward some with a higher level of heaven? Doesn't he love us all the same? (sorry if this doesnt fit here)
personally i dont believe in heaven or hell, so i guess my opinion is pointless in this thread....
No. Please don't think that.Buttercup said:So you are saying that Mormons are the chosen ones?
your answer makes a lot of sense to me, thank you for clarifying that! *smiles*Squirt said:Buttons, my dear, your opinion is always welcome and never pointless. Given that you believe in neither heaven nor hell, my answer to you may be pointless, though.
To me, a heaven comprised of different "degrees of glory" makes a great deal more sense than one where the most righteous and obedient of God's children received no greater reward than those who just "squeaked in by the skin of their teeth." It's also far more Biblical. In the Bible, Stephen spoke specifically of "the third heaven." How much sense does it make to believe in a third heaven if there is not also a first or a second heaven?
God loves us all the same, but He gave us commandments and stressed the need for us to keep them. Imagine a parent with two sons. He gives them the same rules and explains to both of them what the consequences will be if they disobey and what their reward will be if they obey. One of the sons is obedient and the other is not. Should the parent say to the first, "Well done! You have been obedient in all you've done. For this, I give you [such and such reward]."? And to the second, should He say, "You have disobeyed me at every opportunity. I have given you many opportunities to mend your ways, but you never have. But since I love you, I will disregard what I said I'd done if you disobeyed. You are to have the same reward for your bad behavior as your brother had for his good behavior."?
What do you mean by chosen ones?Buttercup said:So you are saying that Mormons are the chosen ones?
Right. So I ask again, do you think only these Mormons are the chosen ones?Aqualung said:What I mean is that there are certain things Christ needs from us for us to be exhalted. Some of those things (like baptism by one holding proper authority) can only be found in the mormon church.
How is unconditional love "unloving"?Aqualung said:He loves us all the same, but some people don't earn it. It would be very unloving to give two people exactly the same thing when one person deserves it more than the other.
And I said, Depends what you mean by "chosen ones."Buttercup said:Right. So I ask again, do you think only these Mormons are the chosen ones?
Why do I let myself get involved in these discussions between you and Aqualung? Methinks I should learn to keep my mouth shut. How do I go about explaining our belief so that you will understand it while, at the same time, not coming across as critical of how Aqualung explained it? You just got through debating Aqualung, Buttercup. You should realize by now that her answers are not always "complete" enough to present the total picture. While they may be technically correct, there is sometimes a difference between, "the truth," "the whole truth," and "nothing but the truth." I believe that Aqualung told you the truth. I believe that the whole truth is a bit more complex than she may have indicated. Do you want me to go into it, or should I butt out?Buttercup said:I asked Aqua if LDS think other denominations of Christians go to heaven. She said not the 'best' heaven (celestial kingdom). What else am I supposed to surmise from that statement?
What is unconditional love? Giving the same reward to people who don't deserve the same reward? I thought unconditional love just meant you would always love that person, not that you would give them what they don't deserve.Buttons* said:How is unconditional love "unloving"?