Science-Religion separation

[questfortruth]

Why have scientists become less religious, less fundamental, and less principal in their faith over the centuries?

Why, over the centuries, have Theists become less scientific and less focused on using the mind?

I believe there is the "law of a second extraordinary talent." Great talents are so rare statistically that a single human cannot hold two excellent skills. This explains why people are becoming significant but narrow specialists.

In my understanding, I am both. I am Scientist in Religion and Religious in Science.
The roots of modern Science are in monasteries. The monk was trying to use logic during the study of Religion.
Monks discovered scientific methods.

 

[metis]

Why have scientists become less religious, less fundamental, and less principal in their faith over the centuries?

In the distant past, the general believe was that God created all, so cause & effect and the scientific method didn't exist or matter. As we got closer to the modern age, that changed.

Why, over the centuries, have Theists become less scientific and less focused on using the mind?

Many have left their religion, and the ones that remain largely fall into two camps: 1.the liberals who put science & religion together and 2.the conservatives ["fundamentalists"] who place religion over science.

 

[Estro Felino]

I perfectly agree with you.
The Bible is a collection of books which use allegories. To be comprehended by the simple people.
Joshua 10:12 speaks of a sun that stops.

Because of this passage the Vatican forced Galilei to abjure and take back all his claims about heliocentrism.
Galilei yielded to those madmen because he knew that future generations would empathize with him.

 

[questfortruth]

the ones that remain largely fall into two camps:

I feel special, unclassified yet. Because I have not found a single friend nor follower during 25 years of internet talks.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Why have scientists become less religious, less fundamental, and less principal in their faith over the centuries?

Why, over the centuries, have Theists become less scientific and less focused on using the mind?

I believe there is the "law of a second extraordinary talent." Great talents are so rare statistically that a single human cannot hold two excellent skills. This explains why people are becoming significant but narrow specialists.

In my understanding, I am both. I am Scientist in Religion and Religious in Science.
The roots of modern Science are in monasteries. The monk was trying to use logic during the study of Religion.
Monks discovered scientific methods.

I see the trend is towards faith being balanced in science and science being balanced in faith.

Regards Tony

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

Let me explain to you some of the fundamentals of my belief system.

Science explains how something happens, religion explains why they happen. In the question of human's own divinity, how something becomes divine is answered through sagacity, which is the application of logic and science, and why something becomes divine is answered through generosity, and helping people promote equality and positive liberty whenever possible. Many religions already do things like this; between tithing, feasts for the poor and charity drives, most religions answer the reason of why people exist.

In my hierarchy, sagacity comes from generosity, because those who are generous thus become wise from their generosity. One always compliments the other, and there should be no separation between the two. The trick, however, is to keep science in the realm of how and religion in the realm of why, when we use science to explain why or religion to explain how, that's when we start having problems. Thus, I completely reject your claims of "Scientist in Religion" and "Religious in Science". They are two separate fields and should be devoted as such.

And just to clarify, there should be no separation between the complimentary shift between both divine traits, but both sagacity and generosity should be considered separate fields.

 

[ChristineM]

Why have scientists become less religious, less fundamental, and less principal in their faith over the centuries?

Education

 

[questfortruth]

Religious in Science

Look, how it would be made. In the end of a pure technical paper, I am writing Acknowledgement: Glory to God.

 

[questfortruth]

Education

What happened to me then?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Why have scientists become less religious, less fundamental, and less principal in their faith over the centuries?

The better we understand reality, the more evident it becomes that gods play little or no active role in the building and running of the cosmos (the god of the gaps is looking for a job).

Why, over the centuries, have Theists become less scientific and less focused on using the mind?

They haven't. The opposite is correct. More are embracing science and rational ethics than before.

Monks discovered scientific methods.

Probably just before writing the US Constitution and inventing secular humanism, two other achievements frequently credited to Christianity by Christians.

I see the trend is towards faith being balanced in science and science being balanced in faith.

There is no place for faith in science.

Science explains how something happens, religion explains why they happen

I don't consider religious ideas answers or explanations. For starters, these "explanations" involve gods, meaning that they're unfalsifiable claims ("not even wrong") that have no explanatory or predictive value, which is why such ideas appear in no scientific laws or theories - things that do explain and predict.

 

[questfortruth]

What happened to me then?

 

[questfortruth]

They haven't. The opposite is correct. More are embracing science and rational ethics than before.

 

[vulcanlogician]

I see the trend is towards faith being balanced in science and science being balanced in faith.

I see this trend as well. 20 years ago, 90% of religious folks repeated creationist nonsense on the internet, and were fairly self-satisfied with their own proclamations. Atheists were quick to antagonize them and show everyone how unfounded their claims were. It was fun. But that stuff can only go on so long before it becomes boring and useless.

These days, I see more and more religious folks and atheist folks seeing eye to eye on some basic things. We've made some progress.

Is there still tension (in the public consciousness) between science and religion? --YES.

But is the situation becoming better with more logic in the debates between the two parties?-- ALSO YES.

I'm pretty optimistic about where we will be in 20 years.

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

I don't consider religious ideas answers or explanations. For starters, these "explanations" involve gods, meaning that they're unfalsifiable claims ("not even wrong") that have no explanatory or predictive value, which is why such ideas appear in no scientific laws or theories - things that do explain and predict.

The world's largest religion, Christianity, is notable for having what they consider to be "the Son of God", someone who lived without the embracement of original sin, and supposedly, never sinned in Jewish law... He taught the parable to men, healed the sick, fed the hungry and changed the way we perceive spirituality, notably giving himself in acknowledgement that he would die for the sin of other men. The term "Christian" applicably means "like Christ", and in accordance to my belief system and structure, means to become the most generous person you can possibly be. That is the reason why humans exist; to lessen the pain of other people. Science cannot explain that through pure logic, theory or even through wisdom and sagacity.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I see this trend as well. 20 years ago, 90% of religious folks repeated creationist nonsense on the internet, and were fairly self-satisfied with their own proclamations. Atheists were quick to antagonize them and show everyone how unfounded their claims were. It was fun. But that stuff can only go on so long before it becomes boring and useless.

These days, I see more and more religious folks and atheist folks seeing eye to eye on some basic things. We've made some progress.

Is there still tension (in the public consciousness) between science and religion? --YES.

But is the situation becoming better with more logic in the debates between the two parties?-- ALSO YES.

I'm pretty optimistic about where we will be in 20 years.

I see we will start working together for the progress of all humanity. I see that is the true purpose of both the sciences and faiths.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There is no place for faith in science.

I think one has not understood science, until they also find out what is to have faith, and that one has not understood their faith, until they also have embrace science.

Regards Tony

 

[paarsurrey]

Why have scientists become less religious, less fundamental, and less principal in their faith over the centuries?

Why, over the centuries, have Theists become less scientific and less focused on using the mind?

I believe there is the "law of a second extraordinary talent." Great talents are so rare statistically that a single human cannot hold two excellent skills. This explains why people are becoming significant but narrow specialists.

In my understanding, I am both. I am Scientist in Religion and Religious in Science.
The roots of modern Science are in monasteries. The monk was trying to use logic during the study of Religion.
Monks discovered scientific methods.

" Why have scientists become less religious, less fundamental, and less principal in their faith over the centuries? "

Isn't it in reaction to the mythical beliefs of the Hellenist- Pauline Christianity people, it has got nothing to do with (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah or the Second Coming 1835-1908, one get to know, please? Right?

Regards
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Note: Jesus didn't die for the atonement of sins of anybody, it transpires, from many clues in the Bible itself, please, right?

 

[ChristineM]

What happened to me then?

I wish i knew

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The trick, however, is to keep science in the realm of how and religion in the realm of why, when we use science to explain why or religion to explain how, that's when we start having problems.

I have an input on this section of your wonderful reply.

Could it be that both can explain how and why? One in a material frame of reference and one in a spiritual frame of reference.

Yet when we combine both, we get the how's and why's working in harmony, it is not just religious or science focused, we become seekers of Truth, Seekers of the Light from no matter its source.

Regards Tony

 

[syo]

Modern christianity and modern science go hand in hand. They are NUTS!