Sanders’s Speech About Socialism Was Deeply Unserious In the senator’s view, the threat of autocracy

[SugarOcean]

The Atlantic
June 13, 2019
Sanders’s Speech About Socialism Was Deeply Unserious
In the senator’s view, the threat of autocracy comes exclusively from the right.

I recall when Sanders touted the benefits of a Socialist state during his 2016 campaign. The countries he cited as pivitol examples of success , without exception, had actually abandoned Socialism as a failure years prior.


Back then Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen went public becasue of Sanders claim about Denmark's success with Socialism and told him to stop his slurs. Because Denmark was no such thing.
https://www.investors.com/politics/...-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/

Sanders , a Socialist. A man who made over 1 million dollars last year and who owns three houses. That's like a Zen riddle or those who live on Mars.
And vote Democrat.

 

[Altfish]

It's amazing how countries in Europe can survive this vile socialism.

 

[SugarOcean]

It's amazing how countries in Europe can survive this vile socialism.

List those "socialist" countries who are of great success.

 

[Altfish]

List those "socialist" countries who are of great success.

Denmark, UK, Holland, Sweden, Norway, etc, etc.

 

[SugarOcean]

Denmark, UK, Holland, Sweden, Norway, etc, etc.

Bernie? Is that you?


Is Great Britain a socialist country? | Study.com
For those who don't subscribe: Britain is doing socialism for the rich again – this time for oil and gas | Owen Jones

Sorry Bernie Bros But Nordic Countries Are Not Socialist

 

[Altfish]

Bernie? Is that you?

Sorry Bernie Bros But Nordic Countries Are Not Socialist

That's what they are referred to in Europe, ok governments come and go but all have had left wing governments, (BTW The Democrats are not left wing)

 

[SugarOcean]

That's what they are referred to in Europe, ok governments come and go but all have had left wing governments, (BTW The Democrats are not left wing)

I can't comment on the wings of UK government.
I do know that the Democrat party in America is a Centrist party and are therein Left wing.

 

[Altfish]

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I can't comment on the wings of UK government.
I do know that the Democrat party in America is a Centrist party and are therein Left wing.

The Democrats would be to the right of the Tory Party in the UK, although that could change when we change PM.

 

[Subduction Zone]

List those "socialist" countries who are of great success.

I hope that you are aware that there are often different definitions of terms. When Republicans call Bernie a socialist then they need to face facts and admit by that definition Denmark, the UK, Norway, and other successful European countries are socialist too.

 

[leov]

List those "socialist" countries who are of great success.

There are none exist.

 

[SugarOcean]

I hope that you are aware that there are often different definitions of terms. When Republicans call Bernie a socialist then they need to face facts and admit by that definition Denmark, the UK, Norway, and other successful European countries are socialist too.

You really shouldn't have posted that. But any chance to dig at Republicans, right?

Sanders says he's a Socialist.

 

[metis]

Sorry Bernie Bros But Nordic Countries Are Not Socialist

Bernie has qualified his statement numerous times in that he endorses "Scandinavian socialism", which is sometimes referred to as "democratic socialism". Technically, these countries have a "mixed economy" with a heavier emphasis on socialism that what's found here in the States.

 

[Nimos]

Denmark, UK, Holland, Sweden, Norway, etc, etc.

Just to clarify some things since im from Denmark.

We are not a socialist country, we have free market, capitalism and strong individual property rights as well. Where things seems to be mixed up with socialism is that our welfare state is considered to be socialism, but that is not true. Welfare state basically just mean that we have a strong state and through government spending helps to protect and secure equal rights in regards to healthcare and education for all our citizens etc.

Having read a lot of the things being said about socialism here on RF and it constantly being compared to the Soviet union and all the stuff that happened there, is not what socialism is.

Socialism is a critic of capitalism and have the same original goals as it had. Capitalism purpose was to secure freedom and equality to all people and when that failed Socialism were put forward as a solution to solve the issues with Capitalism, as it can not deliver what it original promised as capitalism is basically the same as what it was fighting against which were Feudalism. So you had all the lords, church etc.having all the power and money and very few rights for the average person. People got tired of that as it was unfair, so they created Capitalism to solve that, but as we know, nothing have really changed, as now instead of lords and church being in power and having all the money. We just have capitalist instead.

Socialism is not about complete state control and no rights, its the exact opposite, its another approach as mention above to reach the goal of freedom and equality for all people. Which means that its solution is that all people should be equal or close to equal owners in whatever they are invested it. So rather than people working there *** off for a big company that makes billions of dollars and give them to investors and decide to move workplaces to foreign countries so people loose their jobs etc. Socialism aim is to give workers a say in how the company they work for spend and run it, so all of them benefit from it success, rather than a few "lords" on the top that gets all the money and only cares about how much profit the company makes. So Socialism is not about government taking control. And why it is constantly being misunderstood, when people compare it to Soviet union Why Soviet union didn't have socialism makes sense when you think about it.

When Stalin proclaimed that they had achieved Socialism, what he actually had done was to replace those running the companies with people from the state, that is not Socialism, its State capitalism.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I hope that you are aware that there are often different definitions of terms. When Republicans call Bernie a socialist then they need to face facts and admit by that definition Denmark, the UK, Norway, and other successful European countries are socialist too.

Denmark to American leftists: We’re not socialist

The UK is arguable. As far as I can tell they are pretty much a surveillance police state which reeks of socialism.


Ain't No Way Norway Is a Model for Democratic Socialism | Daniel J. Mitchell

 

[Erebus]

If Bernie Sanders wants to emulate certain European countries and you don't consider those countries to be socialist, then Bernie must not be a socialist.

Nothing to worry about then!

 

[Subduction Zone]

There are none exist.

It depends upon one's definition.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You really shouldn't have posted that. But any chance to dig at Republicans, right?

Sanders says he's a Socialist.

Yes, people will sometimes take an insult and own it. He means that he is a socialist in the same way that Republicans use that term. And by their definition Denmark is socialist.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Denmark to American leftists: We’re not socialist

The UK is arguable. As far as I can tell they are pretty much a surveillance police state which reeks of socialism.


Ain't No Way Norway Is a Model for Democratic Socialism | Daniel J. Mitchell

You are not being consistent in your definition. Let's go by the typical Republican definition where government paid health care is "socialist".

 

[Nimos]

The Atlantic
June 13, 2019
Sanders’s Speech About Socialism Was Deeply Unserious
In the senator’s view, the threat of autocracy comes exclusively from the right.

Just wondering why are you so much against Socialism? Even though Bernie might use the definition slightly wrong, what he is saying seems to be fairly good as an overall goal.

 

[SugarOcean]

Just wondering why are you so much against Socialism? Even though Bernie might use the definition slightly wrong, what he is saying seems to be fairly good as an overall goal.

Please elaborate. Point by point please, as to what are the positive gains for America were Bernie's ideal to come to fruition. If you could also cite sources that would be helpful. Thank you.