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Response: Takbir!
"والذين جاهدوا فينا لنهدينهم سبلنا وان الله لمع المحسنين"
"As for those who strive in Us, We surely guide them to Our paths, and lo! Allah is with the good."
سورة 29 - آية 69
Congratulation Brother
"As for those who strive in Us, We surely guide them to Our paths, and lo! Allah is with the good."
سورة 29 - آية 69
Congratulation Brother
Peace
Quran & Sunnah
It would be nice if you share the whole detailed experience with the honoured members of RF.
Tanuki
Taking a hiatus
What would you like to know?
Tanuki
Taking a hiatus
While you are on your spiritual pathway, Tanuki, try actually practicing tolerance, acceptance, and loving-kindness towards all peoples of all religions.
I've decided to only practice that with those I like.
Cosmos
Member
Consider that the religion of Man is the obstructing force that says, 'My religion is the only true religion and my standard is the only true standard.'
If you practice only good-will towards those whom please you... then you are not practicing good-will at all, as this same attitude defines fundamentalists, suicide bombers, racists, etc.
If you practice only good-will towards those whom please you... then you are not practicing good-will at all, as this same attitude defines fundamentalists, suicide bombers, racists, etc.
Tanuki
Taking a hiatus
You did not just compare me to a suicide bomber? Pathetic.
Just because you choose to follow a faith that tries to be all things to all men doesn't mean it's right. It's a hotch potch of disparate ideas that do not all come from the same source, and the fact you claim it does shows how erroneous the faith is.
Just because you choose to follow a faith that tries to be all things to all men doesn't mean it's right. It's a hotch potch of disparate ideas that do not all come from the same source, and the fact you claim it does shows how erroneous the faith is.
You know, many people hear about Baha'i from the Baha'i sources...
It would be nice to see the Baha'i faith from another perspective...
for example how do they advertise their religion,
what contradictions in their faith you found...
and any information that you think deserve mentioning
Tanuki
Taking a hiatus
For me, I think that firstly I became a Baha'i because I felt that Islam was too legalistic for me, and I suppose I wanted more freedom. My problem, not Islam's.
However, there were a number of things that I found contradictory, such as how they preach that they wish to destroy prejudice yet they are prejudiced against homosexuals. They talk of love the sinner hate the sin, but from people I have spoke to who were/are Gay and Baha'i they feel that they have to hide who they are to be accepted. Also, if they choose to live in an openly homosexual relationship they will have their administrative rights suspended, or worse they may be unenrolled.
Also, you are taught to follow the guidance of Shoghi Effendi and the UHJ without question, yet they promoted and still do the prejudice I mention above. Shoghi Effendi particularly stated a rather stupid thing when he said homosexuality was a 'sickness' that could be changed through therapy. Medical science in my view is continually proving that it is no such thing, but that it's genetic. However, when you point this out to Baha'is they simply state that science hasn't reached the same stage as the Baha'i faith which is a bit of a cop out in my opinion.
Also, if one looks at the different teachings of the so-called 'Manifestations of God' they are so different that they couldn't possibly be from the same source. After all
God is unchageable, yet going by Baha'i theology he seems to be changing his mind every few hundred years or so, which to God would be almost daily.
Furthermore, if you look at the Sheikhy movement from which the Baha'i faith came it's theology deviates so much from Shia Islam that it is nothing more than sheer innovation. If you do a simply search you can find all this out online.
However, there were a number of things that I found contradictory, such as how they preach that they wish to destroy prejudice yet they are prejudiced against homosexuals. They talk of love the sinner hate the sin, but from people I have spoke to who were/are Gay and Baha'i they feel that they have to hide who they are to be accepted. Also, if they choose to live in an openly homosexual relationship they will have their administrative rights suspended, or worse they may be unenrolled.
Also, you are taught to follow the guidance of Shoghi Effendi and the UHJ without question, yet they promoted and still do the prejudice I mention above. Shoghi Effendi particularly stated a rather stupid thing when he said homosexuality was a 'sickness' that could be changed through therapy. Medical science in my view is continually proving that it is no such thing, but that it's genetic. However, when you point this out to Baha'is they simply state that science hasn't reached the same stage as the Baha'i faith which is a bit of a cop out in my opinion.
Also, if one looks at the different teachings of the so-called 'Manifestations of God' they are so different that they couldn't possibly be from the same source. After all
God is unchageable, yet going by Baha'i theology he seems to be changing his mind every few hundred years or so, which to God would be almost daily.
Furthermore, if you look at the Sheikhy movement from which the Baha'i faith came it's theology deviates so much from Shia Islam that it is nothing more than sheer innovation. If you do a simply search you can find all this out online.
Tanuki
Taking a hiatus
I suppose it can be, however Islam in my view doesn't base itself on the abolition of prejudice as forcefully as the Baha'i faith does. It wasn't the fact that the Baha'i faith was against homosexuality that I disagreed with, it was the hypocrisy that went with it.
Also the fact that one is supposed to surrender your self will to the UHJ, as it is supposedly infallible, and those who don't are thrown out the faith, to me is wholly wrong.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Well, this is a Muslim thread so I won't get into any sort of debate, but I guess I can ask questions.
So you think that Islam is a peaceful, tolerant religion? And you're going to promote peace and tolerance of other religions and lifestyles as a practicing Muslim?
So you think that Islam is a peaceful, tolerant religion? And you're going to promote peace and tolerance of other religions and lifestyles as a practicing Muslim?
Hyperborean
Cultural Conservative
Biblical, non-revisionist Christianity does not look favorably on homosexuality. Nor do most major religions in their purest form.
fatima_bintu_islam
Active Member
Brother Tanuki, I think you forgot to mention that you came back to shiisme Barakalalhu feek.
I think it is very important to mention it, since you will be asked from people about the deen and you'll be answering by shiite answers, so I guess the reader has the right to know wallahu a'lam because it may create confusion in here.
And ALlah knows best
I think it is very important to mention it, since you will be asked from people about the deen and you'll be answering by shiite answers, so I guess the reader has the right to know wallahu a'lam because it may create confusion in here.
And ALlah knows best
Tanuki
Taking a hiatus
Ibadhiyya is not Shi'ism. I was a Shia Muslim, but have chosen to now follow the Ibadhiyya that was also after contemplating being Sunni.
Even if I were a Shia, there is nothing that they believe in that I would have a problem with. Many do listen to the scare stories about the Shia, however that's all they are - scare stories. Some of the best Muslims I know are Shia.
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Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Shias are more moderate then Sunnis. I like Shia best and I was a Shia when I was Muslim.