PoetPhilosopher
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@VoidCat said in a thread I probably wasn't allowed to post on, and I didn't out of courtesy:
I wanted to thank @VoidCat for the insights, but answer that I identifed as trans at one point, but now identify as Gender Fluid because:
1. I couldn't take all the debate in real life when I identified as trans. Especially when I considered it just a label.
2. As trans, I felt there was an expectation for me to "pass", ie look like the other gender. That's not to say I couldn't. However, I also consider gender to be a bit of a fluid thing, and in a general sense, while it's often treated a bit more binary by people than I feel it actually truly is. Perhaps it's binary for some, though - I'm not really debating that. And yes, there are some who treat their gender in a straight up, binary fashion, while some, like myself, are a bit more fluid with it - it's even that way among some cis people (especially cis women).
My other thoughts:
3. If you ask me which restroom I'd use, I'd say: "Whatever one it seems the most appropriate for myself, a Gender Fluid person, to use, and in a social sense, rather than what my own personal opinion is."
4. Since we're in the debate section, I admit that conservatives can try to make the argument that "Gender has gone too far", and point to "Gender Fluid" labels as being another symptom of that. However, despite myself not agreeing with conservatives completely on much of anything regarding this matter, I'd like to suggest that myself identifying as Gender Fluid may be quite logical because it's like I'm saying "Look, I realize that there's a bit of a culture war going on. And I've chosen to be somewhat pacifist, in this instance, and try to look outside of it", and I'm awaiting better questions and better ideas and better solutions in regards to the subject of the trans debate.
That's not to say I don't both sympathize with trans people, and support them from afar in a fairly large sense, as well.
It's also not to say that all conservative opinions voiced at me are falling on deaf ears.
Personally, I think it's time for new labels altogether. The old ones have too much pain and hurt and controversy and heartache and confusion. And I think this time, when deciding these labels, conservatives and liberals both should be consulted. It shouldn't be a push from just one side. And I also feel that we need crystal clear labels. Labels so clear, that when a person uses them, the other person knows immediately whether they are trans or cis or exactly what or who they are.
I think if we can get conservatives to agree that trans people are here to stay, and that they do agree with it, we too should make a compromise (on my side) and make sure these matters are clear to other people, including conservatives (at least the ones who are more reasonable about the subject).
Honestly, this is probably one of the more hot button threads I've made. It may go well. It may not. Sometimes, emotions run high in these kinds of threads. But still, I feel it's an important subject, so I'm crossing my fingers for the best, and sending this thread off with a song:
I wanted to thank @VoidCat for the insights, but answer that I identifed as trans at one point, but now identify as Gender Fluid because:
1. I couldn't take all the debate in real life when I identified as trans. Especially when I considered it just a label.
2. As trans, I felt there was an expectation for me to "pass", ie look like the other gender. That's not to say I couldn't. However, I also consider gender to be a bit of a fluid thing, and in a general sense, while it's often treated a bit more binary by people than I feel it actually truly is. Perhaps it's binary for some, though - I'm not really debating that. And yes, there are some who treat their gender in a straight up, binary fashion, while some, like myself, are a bit more fluid with it - it's even that way among some cis people (especially cis women).
My other thoughts:
3. If you ask me which restroom I'd use, I'd say: "Whatever one it seems the most appropriate for myself, a Gender Fluid person, to use, and in a social sense, rather than what my own personal opinion is."
4. Since we're in the debate section, I admit that conservatives can try to make the argument that "Gender has gone too far", and point to "Gender Fluid" labels as being another symptom of that. However, despite myself not agreeing with conservatives completely on much of anything regarding this matter, I'd like to suggest that myself identifying as Gender Fluid may be quite logical because it's like I'm saying "Look, I realize that there's a bit of a culture war going on. And I've chosen to be somewhat pacifist, in this instance, and try to look outside of it", and I'm awaiting better questions and better ideas and better solutions in regards to the subject of the trans debate.
That's not to say I don't both sympathize with trans people, and support them from afar in a fairly large sense, as well.
It's also not to say that all conservative opinions voiced at me are falling on deaf ears.
Personally, I think it's time for new labels altogether. The old ones have too much pain and hurt and controversy and heartache and confusion. And I think this time, when deciding these labels, conservatives and liberals both should be consulted. It shouldn't be a push from just one side. And I also feel that we need crystal clear labels. Labels so clear, that when a person uses them, the other person knows immediately whether they are trans or cis or exactly what or who they are.
I think if we can get conservatives to agree that trans people are here to stay, and that they do agree with it, we too should make a compromise (on my side) and make sure these matters are clear to other people, including conservatives (at least the ones who are more reasonable about the subject).
Honestly, this is probably one of the more hot button threads I've made. It may go well. It may not. Sometimes, emotions run high in these kinds of threads. But still, I feel it's an important subject, so I'm crossing my fingers for the best, and sending this thread off with a song:
