Religious Criticism Of Atheists. They're Too Selfish.

[james bond]

Abortion: 70% of Women Who Get Abortions Identify as Christians, Survey Finds

Drugs: i have never used recreational drugs. I don't know any atheists who regularly use drugs, i know several Christians who do, marijuana and cocaine seem to be the religious drugs of choice. Those Christians including 2 heroin addicts.

Buy, buy, but, materialism is really quite high in the usa. 70% of Americans claim Christianity

The only selfie I've ever taken is for my passport in a photo booth. I do take a lot of nature pics though.

Besides drugs i vary rarely drink alcohol, age 18 i had a 3 day drunk on poitin, i swore never again, almost 30 years later I'll still only have 1 or 2 at weddings, christenings and funerals. My best friend who is a born again christian goes through 2 or 3 bottles of wine a week.

Photoshop?

Generalisations are great for general nonsense but atheist are as individual as would you believe... People..

>>Abortion: 70% of Women Who Get Abortions Identify as Christians, Survey Finds<<

Heh. Lifeway specifically targets Christians or the religious in their polls. I doubt they find a lot of atheists at church ha ha. . Then, why doesn't that guy who keeps repeating "confirmation bias" chime in? Holy guacamole .

"With about four out of 10 post-abortive women saying they attended church regularly, LifeWay Vice President Scott McConnell said in a statement that there is a "huge opportunity" for churches to have an impact on abortion decisions.

But in order to get more pregnant women to embrace the church community for pregnancy advice, churches need to find a way to eliminate the notion that women facing unplanned pregnancies will be judged, condemned and become the center of gossip.

"One of the best ways that churches can do that is have someone who has found healing after regretting an abortion either lead a ministry or get some pulpit time to talk about their story and especially to talk about how we can be really sensitive to it," Mancini said.

>>Generalisations are great for general nonsense but atheist are as individual as would you believe... People.<<

The Pew Research showed much and the links I posted back me up.

I don't have to post a photoshopped Buddy Jesus. Maybe I should post Jack Chick for you, ChristineM. LOL.

Don't fail to read this one, ChristineM!
https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1079/1079_01.asp

 

[sun rise]

>>Abortion: 70% of Women Who Get Abortions Identify as Christians, Survey Finds<<

Heh. Lifeway specifically targets Christians or the religious in their polls. I doubt they find a lot of atheists at church ha ha. . Then, why doesn't that guy who keeps repeating "confirmation bias" chime in? Holy guacamole .

"With about four out of 10 post-abortive women saying they attended church regularly, LifeWay Vice President Scott McConnell said in a statement that there is a "huge opportunity" for churches to have an impact on abortion decisions.

But in order to get more pregnant women to embrace the church community for pregnancy advice, churches need to find a way to eliminate the notion that women facing unplanned pregnancies will be judged, condemned and become the center of gossip.

"One of the best ways that churches can do that is have someone who has found healing after regretting an abortion either lead a ministry or get some pulpit time to talk about their story and especially to talk about how we can be really sensitive to it," Mancini said.

>>Generalisations are great for general nonsense but atheist are as individual as would you believe... People.<<

The Pew Research showed much and the links I posted back me up.

I don't have to post a photoshopped Buddy Jesus. Maybe I should post Jack Chick for you, ChristineM. LOL.

Don't fail to read this one, ChristineM!
https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1079/1079_01.asp

You mention atheists attending church. Quoting a right-wing source, many atheists do attend church for various reasons.

American atheists and church attendance - Conservapedia

 

[ChristineM]

>>Abortion: 70% of Women Who Get Abortions Identify as Christians, Survey Finds<<

Heh. Lifeway specifically targets Christians or the religious in their polls. I doubt they find a lot of atheists at church ha ha. . Then, why doesn't that guy who keeps repeating "confirmation bias" chime in? Holy guacamole .

"With about four out of 10 post-abortive women saying they attended church regularly, LifeWay Vice President Scott McConnell said in a statement that there is a "huge opportunity" for churches to have an impact on abortion decisions.

But in order to get more pregnant women to embrace the church community for pregnancy advice, churches need to find a way to eliminate the notion that women facing unplanned pregnancies will be judged, condemned and become the center of gossip.

"One of the best ways that churches can do that ips have someone who has found healing after regretting an abortion either lead a ministry or get some pulpit time to talk about their story and especially to talk about how we can be really sensitive to it," Mancini said.

>>Generalisations are great for general nonsense but atheist are as individual as would you believe... People.<<

The Pew Research showed much and the links I posted back me up.

I don't have to post a photoshopped Buddy Jesus. Maybe I should post Jack Chick for you, ChristineM. LOL.

Don't fail to read this one, ChristineM!
https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1079/1079_01.asp

So you deny christian post is a valid source of fact?
spreading
As for the rest of your ignorant and bigoted nonsense. How pathetic that you won't even read the definition of atheist before condemning them with your bile and hatred while spreading lies in the name of your god.

Atheist: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Other than that all bets are off.

Interesting that i posted a buddy pic and you posted a worthless threat based on ignorance

 

[Darkstorn]

Then, why doesn't that guy who keeps repeating "confirmation bias" chime in? Holy guacamole .

I think i already pointed out your confirmation bias enough, and seeing as you're incapable of actually arguing against any of those points i made, there is enough evidence to convince the most hardline cynic on these forums of the following:

You are better at dodging and evasion than actual rational arguments.

You're probably the least cynical cynic i've ever seen. You believe things. I don't even believe that you know what you're talking about. And i'm not an adherent of philosophical cynicism at all.

 

[james bond]

You mention atheists attending church. Quoting a right-wing source, many atheists do attend church for various reasons.

American atheists and church attendance - Conservapedia

We're talking about abortions, so your argument is a convoluted one. If it's about atheists attending church, then ChristineM was still in the minority. I would admit 17% atheists attending would be surprising, but were they really atheists as atheists define themselves (see my Pew Research link below on atheists who believe in God or are spiritual)? It would be easier just to see the numbers on atheists. I would think that liberal Democrats get more abortions than conservative Republicans, but political data isn't available. However, religious data is available. I wonder why (because political libbies run those centers). We may as well have Buddy Jesus doing the polling.

10 facts about atheists

If you want to go with Conservapedia, then under Abortion and Atheism,

"The Barna Group found that atheists and agnostics in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; Profanity; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior; and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality.[3]"

There's a whole slew of other atheist behaviors, too, if you want to discuss using Conservapedia ha ha.

Abortions and the religious
According to the Guttmacher Institute, "Thirty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions identify as Protestant and 28% as Catholic.[6]" (Characteristics of U.S. Abortion Patients, 2008)

I've found it quite hard to find a correlation between political inclination and abortion rate. Unfortunately, statisticians don't poll people about their voting patterns outside of clinics. However, you can use the statistics of Abortion Rate among Protestants(see above), Percentage of Liberal/Conservative Protestants(see link in sources), and Percentage of women affiliated with each group, to come up with a VERY VERY rough number.

In which case it is:

-Protestant Democrats: 100/1*37/100= 37/1*32/100= 11.84/1*56/100 = 6.63%

-Protestant Republicans: 100/1*37/100= 37/1*33/100= 12.21/1*43/100 = 5.25%

There you have it. Under a very rough calculation, Protestant women who voted for Obama (likely liberal) are 1.38% points more likely to abort than Protestant women who voted for McCain ( likely conservative). Like I said very rough, since it doesn't take into account variations and only has 3 basic data points to choose from.

Source(s): - Percentage of Liberal/Conservative Protestants: (http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...pe+pew&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari)

-Women by political affiliation: CNN.com Election 2004

or

Exit Polls - Election Results 2008 - The New York Times

There is no data collected on political affiliation at abortion clinics. I did read that religious data is collected on a voluntary basis. Turns out that , by religion, the women by the far least likely to get an abortion are Jewish.

 

[james bond]

So you deny christian post is a valid source of fact?
spreading
As for the rest of your ignorant and bigoted nonsense. How pathetic that you won't even read the definition of atheist before condemning them with your bile and hatred while spreading lies in the name of your god.

Atheist: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Other than that all bets are off.

Interesting that i posted a buddy pic and you posted a worthless threat based on ignorance

I don't think I'm the one who is bigoted and ignorant as I've been using Pew Research. And certainly, I don't mind you reading the Christian Post. CP has good news, but the background of the founder is not that which I subscribe to.

>>Atheist: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.<<

Again, Pew Research has people who identify as atheist, but believe in God or an universal spirit.

>>Interesting that i posted a buddy pic and you posted a worthless threat based on ignorance<<

I'm not sure what I get out of Buddy Jesus, but satire. However, Jack Chick has some good points and well as negative points with his tracts. Certainly, they're not considered ignorance.

 

[sun rise]

We're talking about abortions, so your argument is a convoluted one. If it's about atheists attending church, then ChristineM was still in the minority. I would admit 17% atheists attending would be surprising, but were they really atheists as atheists define themselves (see my Pew Research link below on atheists who believe in God or are spiritual)? It would be easier just to see the numbers on atheists. I would think that liberal Democrats get more abortions than conservative Republicans, but political data isn't available. However, religious data is available. I wonder why (because political libbies run those centers). We may as well have Buddy Jesus doing the polling.

10 facts about atheists

If you want to go with Conservapedia, then under Abortion and Atheism,

"The Barna Group found that atheists and agnostics in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; Profanity; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior; and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality.[3]"

There's a whole slew of other atheist behaviors, too, if you want to discuss using Conservapedia ha ha.

Abortions and the religious
According to the Guttmacher Institute, "Thirty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions identify as Protestant and 28% as Catholic.[6]" (Characteristics of U.S. Abortion Patients, 2008)

I've found it quite hard to find a correlation between political inclination and abortion rate. Unfortunately, statisticians don't poll people about their voting patterns outside of clinics. However, you can use the statistics of Abortion Rate among Protestants(see above), Percentage of Liberal/Conservative Protestants(see link in sources), and Percentage of women affiliated with each group, to come up with a VERY VERY rough number.

In which case it is:

-Protestant Democrats: 100/1*37/100= 37/1*32/100= 11.84/1*56/100 = 6.63%

-Protestant Republicans: 100/1*37/100= 37/1*33/100= 12.21/1*43/100 = 5.25%

There you have it. Under a very rough calculation, Protestant women who voted for Obama (likely liberal) are 1.38% points more likely to abort than Protestant women who voted for McCain ( likely conservative). Like I said very rough, since it doesn't take into account variations and only has 3 basic data points to choose from.

Source(s): - Percentage of Liberal/Conservative Protestants: (http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...pe+pew&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari)

-Women by political affiliation: CNN.com Election 2004

or

Exit Polls - Election Results 2008 - The New York Times

There is no data collected on political affiliation at abortion clinics. I did read that religious data is collected on a voluntary basis. Turns out that , by religion, the women by the far least likely to get an abortion are Jewish.

Without analyzing all your numbers, your basic argument is that women who are against abortion are less liable to have them - that's a perfectly reasonable argument.

I'm no fan of abortion and pro-choice people I know think of it as making the best choice in a bad situation.

But I also don't find the legality fight productive. I know from personal experience, my mother, that illegal abortions will still occur.

 

[Darkstorn]

>>Atheist: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.<<

Again, Pew Research has people who identify as atheist, but believe in God or an universal spirit.

Then they aren't atheists. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s.) It is the direct opposite of theism.

Or are you going to make a similar claim about theists: That there are those who don't believe in gods. Hm?

Again: Your cynicism isn't obvious. It looks like blind faith coupled with confirmation bias.

/E: My source:

atheism | Definition, Philosophy, & Comparison to Agnosticism

My other source:

Atheist - Encyclopedia Dramatica

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Cool thread. I learned I don't actually exist.

It seems I hold impossible beliefs. How disturbing.

 

[DavidFirth]

I subscribe to a modified correspondence theory of truth. What do you subscribe to?

I am the way, the truth and the life. -Jesus Christ

 

[Sha'irullah]

Anyway, it got me thinking what criticisms are valid of atheists (besides leading to being Communists).

I am an atheist, and also a staunch conservative. So that throws your first bit of nonsense out the water.

I didn't want to use the #1 popular answer, the i-word -- IMMORAL.

I am also moral unlike many religious people who literally lack morals. Can't have morals if you lack principles and if you can't reason your principles henceforth you lack everything descending from it.

I would say they are selfish.

I am also very giving and I have a reputation amongst my friends for buying them lunch even when I am unable to support myself many cases.

For example, abortion. Those in favor are focusing on their own lives instead of the baby's life.

I am pro-life and don't believe in state sponsored abortion. I believe in social responsibility and the insight to use condoms.

Drugs. It's not to treat one's pain and suffering or a medical condition, but to get one to a pleasant, happy state or state of euphoria.

I despise drug usage and I do not even tolerate alcohol.

Materialsim. People want to buy, buy, buy and the pleasure in buying is only temporary. And more.

I am a minimalist and rarely consume food bought in plastic. I also spend only 110$ on food every month even though I could spend a lot more. I own very little things except for clothes, shoes, a laptop, phone and a library of books.

So how can I quantify selfishness? How about selfies? I'm not saying it's just the atheists who take selfies, as we all do it to some degree. Are the atheists more self-absorbed and into taking more selfies?

I do not have any social media and I dislike selfies. I rarely even take pictures. My last phone didn't even have a flash on the camera and it took half a year to notice when I tried using a light app.

What about those who want to take just the right selfie or take a lot of selfies so they can post on social media? I can only guess what possesses these people to take the "perfect" selfie and in the process get killed over it. Are these people atheist? Do atheists have more selfish traits than the religious?

They are primarily religious judging from social media. Yet again, I don't have any social media.

Here's a recent one. Drunk, too. Probably not the last either.

Man taking selfie on Germany autobahn killed after getting hit by car
Man taking selfie on Germany autobahn killed after getting hit by car

Again, I am laughing at your ignorance.

 

[Sha'irullah]

This. This right here is where I stopped reading.

And then sighed and read the rest of it anyway because it's part of my damned job around here.

*hugs*
I wish I told you it got better, but trust me . . . . it doesn't

 

[ChristineM]

I don't think I'm the one who is bigoted and ignorant as I've been using Pew Research. And certainly, I don't mind you reading the Christian Post. CP has good news, but the background of the founder is not that which I subscribe to.

>>Atheist: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.<<

Again, Pew Research has people who identify as atheist, but believe in God or an universal spirit.

>>Interesting that i posted a buddy pic and you posted a worthless threat based on ignorance<<

I'm not sure what I get out of Buddy Jesus, but satire. However, Jack Chick has some good points and well as negative points with his tracts. Certainly, they're not considered ignorance.

You claimed a link, i see it not, please repost it.

Obviously the definition trumps pew every time.

How the hell Sam anyone claim to be atheist yet believe in god? Oxmoron extreme.


Sorry bud. A buddy pic is a buddy whether you like it or not

 

[McBell]

>>Abortion: 70% of Women Who Get Abortions Identify as Christians, Survey Finds<<

Heh. Lifeway specifically targets Christians or the religious in their polls. I doubt they find a lot of atheists at church ha ha. . Then, why doesn't that guy who keeps repeating "confirmation bias" chime in? Holy guacamole .

"With about four out of 10 post-abortive women saying they attended church regularly, LifeWay Vice President Scott McConnell said in a statement that there is a "huge opportunity" for churches to have an impact on abortion decisions.

But in order to get more pregnant women to embrace the church community for pregnancy advice, churches need to find a way to eliminate the notion that women facing unplanned pregnancies will be judged, condemned and become the center of gossip.

"One of the best ways that churches can do that is have someone who has found healing after regretting an abortion either lead a ministry or get some pulpit time to talk about their story and especially to talk about how we can be really sensitive to it," Mancini said.

>>Generalisations are great for general nonsense but atheist are as individual as would you believe... People.<<

The Pew Research showed much and the links I posted back me up.

I don't have to post a photoshopped Buddy Jesus. Maybe I should post Jack Chick for you, ChristineM. LOL.

Don't fail to read this one, ChristineM!
https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1079/1079_01.asp

You whine about bias and then present Jack Chick?

 

[james bond]

Without analyzing all your numbers, your basic argument is that women who are against abortion are less liable to have them - that's a perfectly reasonable argument.

I'm no fan of abortion and pro-choice people I know think of it as making the best choice in a bad situation.

But I also don't find the legality fight productive. I know from personal experience, my mother, that illegal abortions will still occur.

I can sympathize with the illegal abortion situation. My personal stand is that I'm not against abortion. The reason being that if it was "illegal," then charges or murder would be placed upon the people involved. However, the laws surrounding it has been politicized to the point that the law is not clear. It's not the stigma that it used to be, but I don't want people not thinking twice or three times about getting one, i.e. it shouldn't be a normal medical procedure. I was surprised that it's impossible to get information on attitudes and politics/religion of women who get one. The polling can't be done? Even if there are privacy laws pertaining to it, that should be can be protected.

 

[james bond]

You claimed a link, i see it not, please repost it.

Obviously the definition trumps pew every time.

How the hell Sam anyone claim to be atheist yet believe in god? Oxmoron extreme.


Sorry bud. A buddy pic is a buddy whether you like it or not

>>You claimed a link, i see it not, please repost it.<<

I used Pew Research and Psychology Today links on atheism and selfishness.
First link in post #1 - Why American Hate Atheists.
Link in post #10 - Narcissim
First link in post #108 - 10 Facts About Atheists

>>Sorry bud. A buddy pic is a buddy whether you like it or not<<

Maybe you should start shopping at Wal-Mart and save with your buddy ha ha.

 

[james bond]

I posted a link in an earlier post on The 10 Facts About Atheists. It's probably worth discussing. It shows that atheists are wrong in believing that a self-identified atheist is "a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods." At least in America .

It also shows a terrific ignorance fail on the part of those who say I don't understand atheism, claim I'm such and such or claim that I'm ignorant. Bond does it again.

Some are:

I'll post some of the 10 facts here:
"2 Atheists, in general, are more likely to be male and younger than the overall population; 68% are men, and the median age of atheist adults in the U.S. is 34 (compared with 46 for all U.S. adults). Atheists also are more likely to be white (78% are Caucasian vs. 66% for the general public) and highly educated: About four-in-ten atheists (43%) have a college degree, compared with 27% of the general public."

"3 Self-identified atheists tend to be aligned with the Democratic Party and with political liberalism. About two-thirds of atheists (69%) identify as Democrats (or lean in that direction), and a majority (56%) call themselves political liberals (compared with just one-in-ten who say they are conservatives). Atheists overwhelmingly favor same-sex marriage (92%) and legal abortion (87%). In addition, three-quarters (74%) say that government aid to the poor does more good than harm."

"4 Although the literal definition of “atheist” is “a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods,” according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, 8% of those who call themselves atheists also say they believe in God or a universal spirit. Indeed, 2% say they are “absolutely certain” about the existence of God or a universal spirit. Alternatively, there are many people who fit the dictionary definition of “atheist” but do not call themselves atheists. About three times as many Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (9%) as say they are atheists (3%)."

"5 Unsurprisingly, more than nine-in-ten self-identified atheists say religion is not too or not at all important in their lives, and nearly all (97%) say they seldom or never pray. At the same time, many do not see a contradiction between atheism and pondering their place in the world. Three-in-ten (31%) say they feel a deep sense of spiritual peace and well-being at least weekly. A similar share (35%) often thinks about the meaning and purpose of life. And roughly half of all atheists (54%) frequently feel a deep sense of wonder about the universe, up from 37% in 2007. In fact, atheists are more likely than U.S. Christians to say they often feel a sense of wonder about the universe (54% vs. 45%)."

"6 In the 2014 Religious Landscape Study, self-identified atheists were asked how often they share their views on God and religion with religious people. Only about one-in-ten atheists (9%) say they do at least weekly, while roughly two-thirds (65%) say they seldom or never discuss their views on religion with religious people. By comparison, 26% of those who have a religious affiliation share their views at least once a week with those who have other beliefs; 43% say they seldom or never do."

"7 Virtually no atheists (1%) turn to religion for guidance on questions of right and wrong, but increasing numbers are turning to science. About a third of atheists (32%) say they look primarily to science for guidance on questions of right and wrong, up from 20% in 2007. A plurality (44%) still cite “practical experience and common sense” as their primary guide on such questions, but that is down from 52% in 2007."

"8 Americans like atheists less than they like members of most major religious groups. A 2014 Pew Research Center survey asked Americans to rate groups on a “feeling thermometer” from zero (as cold and negative as possible) to 100 (the warmest, most positive possible rating). U.S. adults gave atheists an average rating of 41, comparable to the rating they gave Muslims (40) and far colder than the average given to Jews (63), Catholics (62) and evangelical Christians (61)."

"9 About half of Americans (51%) say they would be less likely to support an atheist candidate for president, more than say the same about a candidate with any other trait mentioned in a Pew Research Center survey – including being Muslim. This figure, while still high, has declined in recent years – in early 2007, 63% of U.S. adults said they would be less likely to support an atheist presidential candidate. There are currently no self-described atheists serving in Congress, although there is one House member, Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), who describes herself as religiously unaffiliated."

10 facts about atheists

 

[ChristineM]

>>You claimed a link, i see it not, please repost it.<<

I used Pew Research and Psychology Today links on atheism and selfishness.
First link in post #1 - Why American Hate Atheists.
Link in post #10 - Narcissim
First link in post #108 - 10 Facts About Atheists

>>Sorry bud. A buddy pic is a buddy whether you like it or not<<

Maybe you should start shopping at Wal-Mart and save with your buddy ha ha.

So still no links then?

Maybe you should stop shopping it charity shops and food banks. Fyi, i don't live in the US, walmart is just a store in American sitcoms ove here.

 

[ChristineM]

>>You claimed a link, i see it not, please repost it.<<

I used Pew Research and Psychology Today links on atheism and selfishness.
First link in post #1 - Why American Hate Atheists.
Link in post #10 - Narcissim
First link in post #108 - 10 Facts About Atheists

>>Sorry bud. A buddy pic is a buddy whether you like it or not<<

Maybe you should start shopping at Wal-Mart and save with your buddy ha ha.

Here are some links for you

Evangelical Christians Evangelizing Hate Must Be Stopped

How Can Such Loving People Be So Hateful?

https://www.onfaith.co/onfaith/2014...nternet-speech-christians-are-the-worst/33131

https://thehumanist.com/news/religion/5-dangerous-christian-hate-groups

Why Conservatives Are So Filled With Hate

 

[Father Heathen]

Don't fail to read this one, ChristineM!
https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1079/1079_01.asp

You must really be desperate if you're resorting to Chick tracts.