Religious Criticism Of Atheists. They're Too Selfish.

[A Vestigial Mote]

I'm just cynical of atheists.

And how many times have you been informed that atheists don't necessarily hold to any specific doctrine or set of beliefs in any way. Lack of belief in God is the one thing... ONE THING. So, when you say you're "cynical of atheists", that's literally the only thing you can be cynical of - because that is the ONLY thing you can know that the individuals in that target group have in common.

 

[james bond]

And how many times have you been informed that atheists don't necessarily hold to any specific doctrine or set of beliefs in ANY way. Lack of belief in God is the one thing... ONE THING. So, when you say you're "cynical of atheists", that's literally the only thing you can be cynical of - because that is the ONLY thing you can know that the individuals in that target group have in common.

>>And how many times have you been informed that atheists don't necessarily hold to any specific doctrine or set of beliefs in ANY way. Lack of belief in God is the one thing... ONE THING.<<

. This is the type of thing that the only the low brow internet atheists believe . All us Christians just want what's in John 3:16.

 

[Rival]

So this thread is sort of ridiculous. I've decided to post love pictures here instead.

 

[Darkstorn]

. This is the type of thing that the only the low brow internet atheists believe . All us Christians just want what's in John 3:16.

The word definition for "atheism" is a matter of belief now? Okay, Mr. Cynic.

Cynics are first and foremost cynical of their OWN stance. They don't blindly approve everything that confirms their ideas and beliefs. They try to question the validity of the evidence, and its relation to their ideas and beliefs.

You making empty unsubstantiated claims about atheists is confirmation bias. You're trying to use ANYTHING to justify your view. Every straw man, every false dichotomy...

You show your bias openly. When you make the claim that you are cynical, you are even THEN using confirmation bias. You are not challenging your own idea of yourself. AT ALL.

You imagine that your knowledge is absolute regarding your views. THAT IS NOT CYNICISM.

After having to repeat myself about this so many times without apparently gaining your understanding of it, i'm starting to think that you are not equipped with the faculties to understand what i'm saying. I'm having hard time being cynical about this in the face of abundant evidence.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

>>And you seem to think that these all follow from atheism. Why would you think that? <<

You avatar looks like the secular humanism logo. There you go.

Transcript of Secular Humanism & Postmodernism
Leaders -
Karl Marx
(German - atheistic communism)
Charles Darwin
(German - evolution)
Sigmund Freud
(Austrian - atheistic psychologist)
American Humanist -
Humanist Manifesto I

Socialist Humanism with a human face

That's a blog, a journal, of one person, not a authoritative website on secular humanism. Even the wiki will tell you humanism and secular humanism covers a range of different associations with their own independent creeds and manifestos. Some do have Marxism, others don't. Most don't recognize any leaders.
Secular humanism - Wikipedia

Also, not all atheists are secular humanists. I am not and have never identified that way.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

. This is the type of thing that the only the low brow internet atheists believe . All us Christians just want what's in John 3:16.

You seem to absolutely love throwing around the word "atheist", but you apparently refuse to even acknowledge what it means. Here's a spread of the beliefs/opinions/stances I hold on some of the things you have mentioned (note this list would be different for just about every atheist you speak with):

1. I am in no way materialist. In fact, I buy almost nothing at all for myself... not even clothes until I am in dire need. My wife could certainly attest to this. I am quite sure she is tired of me sleeping in T-shirts that have so many holes in them it looks like I have previously been a victim of multiple drive-bys. Don't care at all the kind of car I drive, don't care what I wear, don't care what my hair looks like, don't care what is on my feet as long as it is protective, don't care about technology - outside of what's necessary for me to do my job and stay in contact with others, don't ever buy music - I think I have purchased one (yes ONE) CD in my entire life.
2. I am pro-choice even though I feel the entire idea is deplorable. I am pro-choice because it is a fact that society ends up being better for everyone if fewer unwanted children are born.
3. I have never in my life taken a selfie - and probably never will. I may have been part of one or two that other people were taking as part of a group.
4. I won't be bothered to give a rat's *** about communism.
5. I don't use drugs. Definitely nothing illegal, and I stay away from the medicinal unless absolutely necessary. Which means I haven't ingested even so much as an aspirin or ibuprofen in years.
6. Science and scientists are all well and good, but even scientists are fallible, and I tend to wait for theory version 3, 4, 5, 6, etc. before adoption/trust of meaningful items that come about as a result of scientific discovery - unless that theory is incredibly self-evident and a perfect-fit explanation for the target of said discovery. Otherwise tidbits are just interesting or entertaining, and most times have no bearing on my day-to-day life.

 

[Rival]

Also, not all atheists are secular humanists. I am not and have never identified that way.

That's because you're #FAKENEWS

Obviously

 

[Revoltingest]

Why not try hating atheists less and loving G-d more.

I don't detect hatred....just loyal (albeit delusional) opposition.
He's even friendly to us heathens.

 

[Rival]

I don't detect hatred....just loyal (albeit delusional) opposition.
He's even friendly to us heathens.

Delusional definitely.

 

[Revoltingest]

Delusional definitely.

No one's perfect.

 

[SkepticThinker]

As an atheist who has never once taken a selfie (and I am a photographer) I want numbers. I don't buy it.

This atheist does everything in her power to never take a selfie. I am NOT photogenic. At all.

 

[Duke_Leto]

@james bond, let me get this straight. You believe that the way of life practiced by Jesus' apostles is inherently anti-Christian, and that Christians should defend an economic system based on one of the seven deadly sins?

 

[ChristineM]

Pew Research Center says,

"Last week, the Pew Research Center released the results of a new survey concerning who Americans would want – or rather, wouldn’t want – for an in-law. While about 10 percent of Americans said they’d be unhappy if a family member married someone of a different political persuasion, and about 30 percent of Americans said they’d be unhappy if a family member married a gun owner, nearly 50 percent of Americans said that they’d be unhappy if a family member married an atheist."

Why Americans Hate Atheists

Heh. Hating is not good for the soul, so it's probably hate the sin and not the sinner.

But sometimes as in the case of marriage, one can't easily separate the two.

Anyway, it got me thinking what criticisms are valid of atheists (besides leading to being Communists). I didn't want to use the #1 popular answer, the i-word -- IMMORAL. I would say they are selfish. There's the immorality, but I think that's a bit harder to quantify.

For example, abortion. Those in favor are focusing on their own lives instead of the baby's life. Drugs. It's not to treat one's pain and suffering or a medical condition, but to get one to a pleasant, happy state or state of euphoria. Materialsim. People want to buy, buy, buy and the pleasure in buying is only temporary. And more.

So how can I quantify selfishness? How about selfies? I'm not saying it's just the atheists who take selfies, as we all do it to some degree. Are the atheists more self-absorbed and into taking more selfies?

What about those who want to take just the right selfie or take a lot of selfies so they can post on social media? I can only guess what possesses these people to take the "perfect" selfie and in the process get killed over it. Are these people atheist? Do atheists have more selfish traits than the religious?

Here's a recent one. Drunk, too. Probably not the last either.

Man taking selfie on Germany autobahn killed after getting hit by car
Man taking selfie on Germany autobahn killed after getting hit by car

Abortion: 70% of Women Who Get Abortions Identify as Christians, Survey Finds

Drugs: i have never used recreational drugs. I don't know any atheists who regularly use drugs, i know several Christians who do, marijuana and cocaine seem to be the religious drugs of choice. Those Christians including 2 heroin addicts.

Buy, buy, but, materialism is really quite high in the usa. 70% of Americans claim Christianity

The only selfie I've ever taken is for my passport in a photo booth. I do take a lot of nature pics though.

Besides drugs i vary rarely drink alcohol, age 18 i had a 3 day drunk on poitin, i swore never again, almost 30 years later I'll still only have 1 or 2 at weddings, christenings and funerals. My best friend who is a born again christian goes through 2 or 3 bottles of wine a week.

Photoshop?

Generalisations are great for general nonsense but atheist are as individual as would you believe... People..

 

[Darkstorn]

Drugs: i have never used recreational drugs. I don't know any atheists who regularly use drugs, i know several Christians who do, marijuana and cocaine seem to be the religious drugs of choice. Those Christians including 2 heroin addicts.

At least one Christian sect, the UDV, uses DMT in their sacrament. Legally. In America.

A very powerful hallucinogen.

 

[ChristineM]

At least one Christian sect, the UDV, uses DMT in their sacrament. Legally. In America.

A very powerful hallucinogen.

There was a guy on topix extolling the virtues of dmt, he was even recommending it for children.

I that's religion then I'm so happy im not infected

 

[Darkstorn]

There was a guy on topix extolling the virtues of dmt, he was even recommending it for children.

Hmm. I would say any and all things that are going to affect your life in some way or the other should only be done in full understanding. A child would simply not have enough experience to benefit from something like that. The opposite. Imagine the scariest / most wonderful thing imaginable. I wouldn't give a child something like that.

But: A rational, thinking, fully conscious person might benefit. Religious people might get more religious so i don't recommend it for them.

/E: I mean, according to what i've "heard"

 

[Nietzsche]

Charles Darwin
(German - evolution)

You aren't even trying anymore are you? Darwin was English. Please put in some kind of effort.

 

[james bond]

That's a blog, a journal, of one person, not a authoritative website on secular humanism. Even the wiki will tell you humanism and secular humanism covers a range of different associations with their own independent creeds and manifestos. Some do have Marxism, others don't. Most don't recognize any leaders.
Secular humanism - Wikipedia

Also, not all atheists are secular humanists. I am not and have never identified that way.

I like Britannica better as it's not liberally biased. I have several interests (such as work, food, sports, movies, art, hobbies, etc), but do not focus on them here as this is a religious forum. I try to relate what I learn in other areas to Christianity and atheism here on RF. I don't dislike human affairs and just think about God and the afterlife, but have investigated the afterlife.

"Secularism, any movement in society directed away from otherworldliness to life on earth. In the European Middle Ages there was a strong tendency for religious persons to despise human affairs and to meditate on God and the afterlife. As a reaction to this medieval tendency, secularism, at the time of the Renaissance, exhibited itself in the development of humanism, when people began to show more interest in human cultural achievements and the possibilities of their fulfillment in this world. The movement toward secularism has been in progress during the entire course of modern history and has often been viewed as being anti-Christian and antireligious. In the latter half of the 20th century, however, some theologians began advocating secular Christianity. They suggested that Christianity should not be concerned only with the sacred and the otherworldly, but that people should find in the world the opportunity to promote Christian values. These theologians maintain that the real meaning of the message of Jesus can be discovered and fulfilled in the everyday affairs of secular urban living."

secularism | social movement

Wikipedia shows it's blatant bias and lies right off the bat by stating "... specifically rejecting religious dogma, supernaturalism, pseudoscience, and superstition as the bases of morality and decision making." This is total BS and typical brainwashing of liberals by their liberal leaders. I can appreciate liberals who think and present a cogent argument instead of just parrot what they've been told. How can I have a meaningful conversation with a parrot? How can I argue with a link?

Wikipedia mentions happy people? Heh. They may as well be selling you the happy fun ball -- Happy Fun Ball. I tend to think liberals go off the deep end when they find out the truth and the world doesn't fit their worldview. I don't make up the results of Pew Research or the links I posted. I even admitted that I probably overstated the case of narcissism with selfies except in those cases where one goes overboard, puts themselves in danger or exhibits dangerous behavior. Yet... HuffPo, a liberal news website reports,

Study Links Selfies To Narcissism And Psychopathy
Happy Fun Ball.

Or this -- Dangerous selfies. So maybe the truth is somewhere in-between.

 

[james bond]

That's because you're #FAKENEWS

Obviously

I don't think everything is #FAKENEWS from liberal sources. Just look at my links. I use Wikipedia for their links below their articles on more serious topics and for sports and entertainment. Yet, I understand it's biased.

 

[james bond]

This atheist does everything in her power to never take a selfie. I am NOT photogenic. At all.

Taking no selfies is the other extreme. I was referring those who constantly do it and post on social media to exhibit their lives. There are those who take them scantily clad or nude in front of the mirror. If you do a lot of these, then you're probably the selfish and narcissistic type.