Notanumber
A Free Man
How dare a British politician go to a Muslim area in Britain?
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"Religion of Peace?"
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shmogie
Well-Known Member
Please, please don't offend them ooooooooooh, an Englishman is not allowed in this part of England, it is for stone age, inbred, foreign troglodytes only !
JustWondering
Jerk
Drone wars: the full data — The Bureau of Investigative Journalism
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/...-is-often-unsure-about-who-will-die.html?_r=0
US sets records with number of drone strikes in Afghanistan this year
The Toll Of 5 Years Of Drone Strikes: 2,400 Dead | The Huffington Post
Trump admin ups drone strikes, tolerates higher civilian casualties
JustWondering
Jerk
I agree and am glad that the US is not a Christian theocracy. However, the majority of people in the US identify as Christian. The vast majority of political leaders in the US identify as Christian. So why is a country that is full of Christians the biggest warmonger in the world for the past five decades?
JustWondering
Jerk
The point I am making and that you are ignoring is that Christianity and Islam originate from bronze age civilizations that BOTH had a barbaric mindset. The Crusades and inquisition are perfect examples of how Christians were perfectly willing to wage holy wars. I am an atheist and often find that Christians are intolerant and can also be violent. So it's only fair Christians/Christianity be criticized for violence, right? I have no interest in the islamophobia that western war propaganda has been eagerly inciting for the past 17 years. Wouldn't you like peace? Do you think bashing Muslims/Islam is going to foster peace?
Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Exodus 21:7-11
Exodus 21:20-21
Exodus 22:16-20
Leviticus 19:20-22
Leviticus 25:44-46
Leviticus 27:1-8
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
JustWondering
Jerk
Once again you ignore the actual point I was making and try to deflect. The "rebels" in Syria are outside actors financed/trained by Saudia Arabia, Qatar, and the US. In 2005 Saudia Arabia offered to finance everything if the US went into Syria and toppled Assad's government. Because......they want to put a pipeline through Syria and Syria and Russia don't want it. When thousands flee because of this war over OIL, the good upstanding Christians of America respond "You're not coming into our country you dirty Muslims!". Where is all the love and generosity Christians are supposed to show to those in need?
Those are extremely consequential claims. Got a citation or two?
Since we seem to be struggling over definitions (which seems like a useful pursuit), how about this:
"A fundamentalist is one who wants to live in a theocracy"
MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
Any killing for God or Heaven is sadistic.
Yes, but we have been waiting 2,000 years. You haven't shared with us when did the first Christians say who was what in Revelations and the wait is 2,000 years? Every few years you have a new flavor of ice cream.
By the way, if there isn't a time limit then the time limit is infinity. Mathematically there is nothing great about such a prediction. Even the dinosaur s got wiped given enough time. It's no big deal if it happens. A prophecy has to be more precise than that. Otherwise it proves nothing.
I would wait with you but I already know god exists because it happened 390 years after the desolation of the temple just as Jesus said and Daniel said. It happened just as Jesus said in Matt 24 and Isaiah 19. The probability of that is so small one wonders if there isn't a god telling Jesus Isaiah and Daniel about the future
The fact is that in the past people dismissed these events as fabricated legends, saying these things that Precopious and others had recorded didn't actually happen. They weren't considered reliable. Even in my lifetime I can remember people saying that the Koresh were Egyptians and unrelated to Abraham etc. However now we have the Smithsonian and National Geographic confirming what was recorded by Procpious and others.
Now I will let you explain why the official Christian historians didn't document these things and why they began asking where MP was mentioned in the Bible when they obviously knew these prophesies were in the Bible and these things happened
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If it's all the same to you maybe another time. I'm extracting myself from this particular thread at the moment. If you want to make a new thread about what fundamentalism is and how it applies outside the Christian fundamentalist movement I would totally go there, that's an interesting and worthwhile subject.
The Muslim bashing going on here right now though? Not so much.
JustWondering
Jerk
You obviously have access to the internet just as I do but sure, here's some articles for you to peruse.
'Offer is on the table' for Arab countries to pay for full-scale U.S. invasion of Syria, says Secretary of State John Kerry | Daily Mail Online
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle...t/news-story/74efcba9554c10bd35e280b63a9afb74
JustWondering
Jerk
Notanumber
A Free Man
From the comments section - in those 7 countries, they are Christians,Jews,orthodoxs and other religions, so this isn't a "muslim" ban
This is how bad the situation is getting in Britain.
Armed police trained to shoot terrorists involved in lorry attacks
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Make your question clearer please, I am not sure what you are asking
This article doesn't make the same claims you're making.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Allow me some time to research your quotations and I will get back to you. Sorry, but Christianity originated with Jesus Christ, long after the bronze age. I know what you are trying to say though, that since Christianity is linked to Judaism, that what you see in the founding of Judaism that is wrong ( I will dispute that ) is part of Christianity. That I will accept, but surely you recognize that the founding of the original Israel and what you are concerned about was 3,000 years ago, and that Israel ceased establishing itself then, in a tiny area. Islam began in 600 A.D and it conquered Christian Lebanon in the 1960's - 80's. Unwarranted violence by anyone is wrong, but Christians don't give up the right of self defense, individually or collectively. You brought up the crusades. Well, initially they were in response to 200 years of moslem warfare in Christian lands and constant harassment by them on shared borders. They were tiny in comparison to moslem conquest and killing. You are trying to draw a moral equivilncy, unless you are dishonest or ignorant of the facts, it can't be done. I will respond to your verses within 24/48 hrs,
shmogie
Well-Known Member
The US isn't a warmongering nation, that is utter nonsense. Korea, a response to an unprovoked attack upon an ally which we pledged to defend. VN, infiltration into SVN by NVA forces violating a border of an ally, Afghanistan, refusal to turn over bin laden after an ultimatum to do so. Iraq 1, invasion of Kuwait, an ally, Iraq 2 failure to adhere to cease fire agreement from Iraq 1, 22 UN resolutions ignored for inspection of nuclear facilities, removal of camera's mandated inside nuclear facilities, refusal to allow inspections mandated in other area's. Used chemical weapons against the Kurds, given ultimatum to comply, refused, goodbye saddam
shmogie
Well-Known Member
First, I trust no journalistic sources. A war has been declared upon us and we have the right of self defense. al qaeda and isis are the enemy and we have the right to destroy them. Any civilian casualty is horrendous, but in war they occur. Look at what the entities we are fighting do, then imagine what they would do if they were unchecked, more genocide than they have already wrought.
Notanumber
A Free Man
I have just been listening to Nick Ferrari on LBC radio and they were discussing the latest Parris attack.
Someone phoned in and told Nick that they should stop blaming ISIS for radicalising these terrorists when in reality they are following Islamic ideology and the teachings of Muhammad.
Nick would not listen to any of it and when the caller told him to read the Quran Nick started to build straw men by deflecting the argument towards the likes of Jimmy Saville, Dr Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe.
Nick is obviously a clever person but the point is he failed to grasp that all these straw men were not religiously following an ideology based on scripture or perhaps he just did not want to admit that that is the case.
A while back on the same radio station someone phoned in and said that one of the killers of Lee Rigby was a nice guy.
Many people do not like Katie Hopkins but she is not afraid to call a spade a spade.
Someone phoned in and told Nick that they should stop blaming ISIS for radicalising these terrorists when in reality they are following Islamic ideology and the teachings of Muhammad.
Nick would not listen to any of it and when the caller told him to read the Quran Nick started to build straw men by deflecting the argument towards the likes of Jimmy Saville, Dr Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe.
Nick is obviously a clever person but the point is he failed to grasp that all these straw men were not religiously following an ideology based on scripture or perhaps he just did not want to admit that that is the case.
A while back on the same radio station someone phoned in and said that one of the killers of Lee Rigby was a nice guy.
Many people do not like Katie Hopkins but she is not afraid to call a spade a spade.
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