So why not assume the Universe to be the first cause?
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Reasons for Atheism if you aren't in the DIR
- Thread starter Niatero
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If any of this were true I doubt I would want to know any such God. Given that I believe there is much to our existence that is more down to luck or bad luck without any interference from some unknown entity, and as to such, life makes more sense to me than anything otherwise.
What gives you the right to decide?
TagliatelliMonster
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The definition of the word "atheist"?
It's like saying "I'm a shape with 4 corners, no curves, all corners are 90° and all sides have the same length, but I am not a square!"
Niatero
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That would be this: +The definition of the word "atheist"?
It's like saying "I'm a shape with 4 corners, no curves, all corners are 90° and all sides have the same length, but I am not a square!"
Atheism+
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TagliatelliMonster
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Good oneThat would be this: +
Atheism+
Maybe there's a problem with my english understanding, but I don't think a cross consisting of just 2 lines counts as a "shape" which is a geometric figure, particularly its external form / contours / outlines, meaning that it has a surface which can be calculated.
But good one, nonetheless
Niatero
*banned*
I'll look into that, but I don't see anything wrong with your English.
Thanks.But good one, nonetheless
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Indeed, why not. Then all we have to do is define the universe, know it's qualities, determine it's origins, and understand how it relates to us (and us to it).
A definition created by the religious and used by the religious to label people that are not like them. I assume you realize it is a label to single out people. I do not have to recognize myself with any label.The definition of the word "atheist"?
It's like saying "I'm a shape with 4 corners, no curves, all corners are 90° and all sides have the same length, but I am not a square!"
And as to your square, it is not an independent thinking thing. It is also a strict and structured design. The definition of Atheist is vague to include all those that the religious don't understand. If you wish use such a label feel free. I am not and will not be labeled.
Definition of Universe;
All that is known to exist
Qualities?
Material and energy
Origins:
Unknown
How it relates to us?
Because we exist, we are a part of the Universe.
In the context of the above answers, why not assume the Universe to be the first cause?
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Grew up fundamentalist. After having come to the conclusion that evolution is a thing, had to ditch the idea of man as a special creation. If he is not a special creation, what is the need for a god?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Not really.
It's what the word means: somebody who doesn't believe in god(s).
It's barely even a label tbh.
It's like "assymmetrical". It's a word that applies to a shape when said shape isn't symmetrical.
But oh well
Might depend where you are.
I see your point, but if you go in and drop "atheist' in certain locales and spaces, people make a lot of assumptions about you. This may be a positive or negative depending on who you are, and how well you fit with what's being assumed.
So while the word itself is pretty basic, people aren't. If someone doesn't want the baggage associated with such a label, I understand.
Define God, Believe or knowledge.
My definition of Atheist is a Person who believes that some or all gods and/or some or all religions cause some or all harm to our world, otherwise why would a person label themselves as a lack of belief or knowledge. Generally, we label our beliefs and knowledge or are label by others for lack of.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Sure. And that's their mistake, not mine.
Yup.
But it still has consequences. Its up for the person using or not using the label to decide if its worth it.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
That would be anti-theism.
One wouldn't. The only reason the word exist is because the majority of the world happens to hold such beliefs.
If 80% of the world were soccer players and if soccer players would consider that culturally important, then we would also have a word for people who don't play soccer.
Indeed. Which is why "atheist" is such a stupid word. Which is why I said that it really barely qualifies as a "label" to begin with.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Other people's mistakes are not my responsibility however.
But if they make their false assumptions known, I will happily point them out.
And then their bigotry will show its ugly face.
I think all the weirdness scientific investigations keep turning up will eventually resolve into something that makes sense. Eventually as in centuries from now perhaps. The idea of there being a god behind it is just a figment of our tendency to anthropomorphise, I think. We make things so from there the assumption that there must be a big powerful human-like entity that made everything else. But there’s no reason beyond our own perspective and imagination to think that is actually the case.I don't think that there is anything that anyone will ever be able to imagine, describe or define, that created the universe. I agree with the Buddha that speculating about it either way, whether or not he/she/they/it exist(s) is a useless, counterproductive and positively harmful distraction which drives people mad (in more ways than one). God says so Himself.
I'm not actually sure how I ended up here. Maybe because I saw myself going mad (in more ways than one) trying to find some way for it to have some meaning for me to say that an unknowable creator exists, or does not exist.