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Discussion in 'Seekers Circle' started by AT-AT, Jun 10, 2019.

  1. siti

    siti Well-Known Member

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    Hooley dooley cobber! Did you just invent the longest way of saying absolutely nothing or what?;)
     
  2. lewisnotmiller

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    Meh. It was only in the context of responding to previous posts.
    I generally just say I'm an atheist in RL, or an agnostic atheist if I'm talking to someone interested in religion.

    Kudos for necroing 'cobber'.

    :)
     
  3. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Nope, they do not assert, they base their lack of belief on l10% lack of evidence. If you (or anyone) who asserts gods exist can provide physical evidence that can be validated (look around you is not evidence of anything but nature) then you would end atheism and incidentally have the speed dial numbers of the top religious leaders in the world on your phone.

    Atheism : disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

    Nothing more, nothing less
     
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  4. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I can only answer for atheism and not religious beliefs (unlike some religious here who are making claims for atheism although they seem to know little or nothing about it)

    Atheists are not encumbered with antiquated (some from the bronze age) mythology. Which can impede progress because (in some cases) it severely impedes the thirst for knowledge.

    One doesnt need to devote one day a week to religious worship and impressing distant acquaintances with how pious you can be.

    For some reason, as an atheist you have less chance of experiencing the trauma of divorce.


    Here is a list of other benefits of atheism

    10 Reasons Atheists Do It Better
     
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  5. wellwisher

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    The atheist scientists have a god. However, this god is not as obvious, even to them, since it is not personified as a god, in the traditional sense. Their god goes by many names, such as chaos and randomness. This god of randomness can do anything the traditional gods can do. They say he has finite odds for doing nearly anything that needs to be done or happen. He has powerful magic.

    However, this god of atheism is not rational and he does not have a plan. He is full of uncertainty. He more or less stumbles into things but can come up with jackpots, even in unlikely places. It is a very strange mythology, based on an idiot savant god, whose is a creative genius on one hand, but aways lacks any rational sense of direction. This god was chosen by the atheists since he makes the atheist feel more in control, since they assume only they contain the higher power of reason and planning. Therefore they can control this god to some extent.

    For example, there is an assumption in science that life can form all over the universe, using a wide variety of solvents, using different forms of genetic material, under various type of conditions. Nobody has ever demonstrated, the formation of water base life in the lab, even though we know all the details of modern life on earth. The rest is a pipe dream. However, their faith in the power of their idiot savant god, makes all these unlikely scenarios possible to them; all hail chaos! Atheism is a deceptive religion, that cannot even be honest with itself.
     
  6. A Vestigial Mote

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    As an atheist myself, do you feel that I need to prove anything when making the following statement:

    "I don't see any good reason(s) to believe that God exists, therefore I await further confirmation/evidence/demonstration before bothering to believe in something for which I see no good reason/evidence."

    Is there something in there that requires I provide evidence for my position? Do I need to "prove" anything to hold that position?
     
  7. Road Warrior

    Road Warrior Seeking the middle path..

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    I, too, have had a "spiritual event" but agree there is no evidence of the supernatural except anecdotal. Science is great, but has its limits. It can't see outside the Universe nor what caused the Primordial Atom. It does tell us that the Universe is not only expanding toward "the Big Chill" but accelerating in that expansion for unknown reasons. What does that have to do with spirituality? Just the fact there are limits to physical science.
     
  8. Road Warrior

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    No more than a theist who believes the opposite. The only time a person should prove their beliefs is when they try to force it upon others.
     
  9. Road Warrior

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    It's recognizing what we don't know which guides us on seeking to find out what we want to know. Some people think they already know everything they need to know so they stop looking.
     
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  10. Road Warrior

    Road Warrior Seeking the middle path..

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    When they tell a Christian, Jew or Muslim there is not god, then they are, indeed, asserting. When they tell a Buddhist "when you're dead, you're dead" they are asserting there is nothing beyond the physical.
     
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  11. David T

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    i might say they can all become irrelevant thats a fact.
     
  12. David T

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    Basic socrates and richard feynman.. Well put.
     
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  13. David T

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    And really to understand the genisis of any of this we neex to talk about experience. Thats a topic never adressed on RF . no, we tend to exist at the level of narrative itself determines and last i checked nature is far older than modernity. Just a guess could be wrong though according to most.
     
  14. ChristineM

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    They are stating fact based on thousands of years of complete lack of evidence.
     
  15. A Vestigial Mote

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    Trying to convince others of their validity, yes - which does tend to happen for both "gnostic theists" and "gnostic atheists" - that is, theists who assert that god exists, and atheists who assert that they know that there is/are no god(s). If you're not trying to convince anyone but yourself, then you have no one but yourself to turn to for evidence, and the evaluation of that evidence is also only up to you. If you accept it, you accept it, and if you don't, you don't.

    However, it is possible to point out that someone has no valid or rational basis for their belief from your own perspective (that is, lacking the personal experiences of whoever you're dealing with, and rejecting particular evidence that is not inter-subjectively verifiable) without directly taking the alternative stance. In this case, you don't have to state that "there is no god" in order to be able to point out that someone's evidence or reasons for holding a particular position are suspect.

    Lastly, even if you aren't pushing your beliefs on anyone, there is absolutely nothing to stop me from evaluating your beliefs and coming to my own conclusions about the validity of your position/beliefs/ideas.
     
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  16. Road Warrior

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    And there we have it folks. The atheist point of view is that an absence of evidence is factual evidence of absence.
    Thank you, ma'm. [​IMG]
     
  17. Road Warrior

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    Agreed. Also, let's not forget that this isn't a science experiment with independently verifiable results. It's a matter of faith. Yes, even for atheists who so firmly disbelieve they think it's a fact and will ridicule or attack anyone who disagrees with them just like any other religious fanatic.
     
  18. A Vestigial Mote

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    Why don't people argue as vehemently for the existence or non-existence of unicorns? Or The Flying Spaghetti Monster, for that matter?

    Point being - at some point, people without sufficiently compelling evidence who are all claiming something different (I'm speaking of the vast variety of theists and their claims here, obviously) are making things up to defend their positions. This is a given. If the Muslim makes claims about Allah that conflict with Christian claims of their God, someone's wrong, and their claim to knowledge is fallacious - the target of their belief is imaginary - it is make-believe. Not only this, but many more things have been said in defense of God than He ever said Himself, or supposed knowledgable sources have attributed to Him - this is, by definition, making things up - even if God exists and some of the things happen to be correct!

    Even the atheist who makes the claim that "God does not exist" within a universe that actually does have God/gods is AT MOST "making up" one thing. ONE. That would be that "God does not exist," obviously.

    So, there's a huge amount more of fabrication necessary in theism. There's not really a way around it.
     
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    Even for those Atheists who will attack and ridicule...

    The loudest voices should not over rule those who are less dogmatic.
     
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  20. AT-AT

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    I don't think I've actually seen an atheist attack anyone, surprisingly. I've seen them make humor so complex the other side doesn't get it, yet I do, though.
     
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