Question for all jehovah's witnesses on here

[Deeje]

The margin notes of the KJV are there because alternate translations of a word or words is possible. Often times, as scholars have noted, the margin notes are to be preferred

I am not a fan of the KJV because I have found many instances of bias in their renderings, particularly with regard to the trinity. It is not a reliable translation but treated by some as if it came straight from God.....I strongly disagree with its renderings.

The margin note says:
call upon the Name of the LORD:
Or, to call themselves by the Name of the LORD

"men began to call upon the name of the Lord — rather, by the name of the Lord. God’s people, a name probably applied to them in contempt by the world." JFB

יְהֹוָה בְּשֵׁם קָרָא, literally to call in (or by) the name of Jehovah -- Keil and Delitzsch

"The marginal reading is, Then began men to call themselves by the name of the Lord; which words are supposed to signify that in the time of Enos the true followers of God began to distinguish themselves, and to be distinguished by others, by the appellation of sons of God; those of the other branch of Adam’s family, among whom the Divine worship was not observed, being distinguished by the name, children of men." - Adam Clarke

The LXX translates it as: "And Seth had a son, and he called his name Enos: he hoped to call on the name of the Lord God. "

Some translations use the word "profane" as does the ISV: "Seth also fathered a son, whom he named Enosh. At that time, profaning the name of the LORD began. "

It is therefore quite possible that the "sons of God" mentioned in Gen 6 refer to the men who had taken upon themselves God's name as opposed to those who did not.

I’m sorry but that is an extremely weak argument.
The rest of scripture backs up the fact the “the sons of God” in Genesis 6 were angels who had followed Satan into rebellion and used their materialised flesh to indulge themselves in very unnatural and depraved behavior for spirit beings. Sex and violence are their trade mark.....who rules the world? (1 John 5:19)

These rebels became the “spirits in prison” to whom Jesus went to deliver God’s judgment against them. God had put them under restraint, keeping them in spiritual darkness and taking away their power to take on flesh. Only faithful angels could take on human form after that. (e.g. Gabriel’s visit to both Mary and her cousin to inform them of their privilege to bear special children)

Your explanation leaves way too many questions unanswered.....
Most especially, why God found it necessary to wipe out every creature who had the breathe of life in them. If he just needed to punish the humans, why not do what he did to Sodom and Gomorrah? Why get Noah to spend decades of hard work to build an enormous ark to preserve life?

It is obvious the these special circumstances warranted special measures.

 

[Deeje]

It seems very clear to me that there were two types of people in those days just as there has always been. There were those who were following the WAY of God and those who were not. The danger began when those following the Way decided to mingle with those who were not. And the result was that all flesh had then corrupted God's Way by joining themselves with the beautiful women of men who would lead them into all sorts of wickedness.

Again, a very weak argument IMO.

The offspring of the rebel angels were obviously sterile hybrids because there is no mention of them bearing children. It was their fathers who were licentious and spreading their violent and immoral ways to their children and on to corrupting the human race of that time. The stories of gods and demi-gods of Greek mythology have their roots in these creatures.

Only Noah found favor with God amid that horrible scenario. At the time of God’s informing Noah of his intentions, Noah was childless, but at the ripe old age of 500, Noah had three sons who helped him in the massive construction work. These took wives as well, so apparently not all of the human population were as bad as these angels and their monstrous children.....but Peter says that Noah was a "preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5; 9) for the whole time that he was building the ark. Why then did no one respond to his warning? It says they ridiculed him and because he was an outstandingly different person to the rest of humanity at that time, so the people felt safe in assuming that he was some kind of nut building this enormous structure out in the middle of a cleared field...just a stupid calamity howler.

Jesus used that scenario to picture what these end times would look like.....(Matthew 24:37-39) History will repeat because those same angels (now demons) have an axe to grind. (Revelation 12:12) They are targeting weak minded people and leading them down a dark and immoral path just as they did in Noah's day. It will have the same result...they will take no notice until the end is upon them and they'll regret not having listened and acted on the warning....too late at act by then.

So again, I believe that my understanding is backed up by the rest of the scriptures.

 

[LightofTruth]

I am not a fan of the KJV because I have found many instances of bias in their renderings, particularly with regard to the trinity. It is not a reliable translation but treated by some as if it came straight from God.....I strongly disagree with its renderings.



I’m sorry but that is an extremely weak argument.
The rest of scripture backs up the fact the “the sons of God” in Genesis 6 were angels who had followed Satan into rebellion and used their materialised flesh to indulge themselves in very unnatural and depraved behavior for spirit beings. Sex and violence are their trade mark.....who rules the world? (1 John 5:19)

These rebels became the “spirits in prison” to whom Jesus went to deliver God’s judgment against them. God had put them under restraint, keeping them in spiritual darkness and taking away their power to take on flesh. Only faithful angels could take on human form after that. (e.g. Gabriel’s visit to both Mary and her cousin to inform them of their privilege to bear special children)

Your explanation leaves way too many questions unanswered.....
Most especially, why God found it necessary to wipe out every creature who had the breathe of life in them. If he just needed to punish the humans, why not do what he did to Sodom and Gomorrah? Why get Noah to spend decades of hard work to build an enormous ark to preserve life?

It is obvious the these special circumstances warranted special measures.

There is very good reason why the word "prison" is used in 1 Peter 3:19. A prison is a place or condition of being locked up whereby you are held in confinement being unable to freely move about.

The same idea is found in 2 Peter 2:4 "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; "

Those angels (sons of God) were not spared, but were cast down and chained in the darkness of the abyss (they were buried by the flood waters). They are "spirits in prison", and are held and confined in the prison house of the grave until judgment and till he who has the keys of the grave opens it up to release them.

The Jw's err in their understanding and the true meaning of the words spoken by Peter because they would have those angels freely going about to possess whomever they will.

 

[LightofTruth]

Again, a very weak argument IMO.

The offspring of the rebel angels were obviously sterile hybrids because there is no mention of them bearing children. It was their fathers who were licentious and spreading their violent and immoral ways to their children and on to corrupting the human race of that time. The stories of gods and demi-gods of Greek mythology have their roots in these creatures.

Only Noah found favor with God amid that horrible scenario. At the time of God’s informing Noah of his intentions, Noah was childless, but at the ripe old age of 500, Noah had three sons who helped him in the massive construction work. These took wives as well, so apparently not all of the human population were as bad as these angels and their monstrous children.....but Peter says that Noah was a "preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5; 9) for the whole time that he was building the ark. Why then did no one respond to his warning? It says they ridiculed him and because he was an outstandingly different person to the rest of humanity at that time, so the people felt safe in assuming that he was some kind of nut building this enormous structure out in the middle of a cleared field...just a stupid calamity howler.

Jesus used that scenario to picture what these end times would look like.....(Matthew 24:37-39) History will repeat because those same angels (now demons) have an axe to grind. (Revelation 12:12) They are targeting weak minded people and leading them down a dark and immoral path just as they did in Noah's day. It will have the same result...they will take no notice until the end is upon them and they'll regret not having listened and acted on the warning....too late at act by then.

So again, I believe that my understanding is backed up by the rest of the scriptures.

You call it a "very weak argument" because you are unfamiliar with the facts as they are presented throughout Scripture.
If you were familiar with the Scripture then you would know that it was dangerous for the children of God to take wives of men who served other gods. In fact, when God was to bring the Israelites into the land, He commanded them: "You shall not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons,"

The argument that the "sons of God" spoken of in Gen 6 were indeed mortal men is a very convincing one and anyone who says it's not is simply a closed minded person who is a puppet to his religion.