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Putin declares Ukrainian regions part of Russia, defies West

Stevicus

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Putin declares Ukrainian regions part of Russia, defies West | AP News

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin signed treaties Friday to annex parts of Ukraine in defiance of international law, saying Moscow would protect the newly incorporated regions by “all available means.”

He also urged Ukraine to sit down for peace talks but immediately insisted he won’t discuss handing them back, opening a new escalatory phase of his seven-month invasion of the country.

Kyiv and the West have rejected his land-grab in Ukraine. The European Union’s 27 member states said they will never recognize the illegal referendums that Russia organized “as a pretext for this further violation of Ukraine’s independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity.”

In a Kremlin ceremony at the ornate St. George’s Hall to herald the annexation of the occupied parts of Ukraine, Putin accused the West of fueling the hostilities as part of what he said is a plan to turn Russia into a “colony” and a “crowds of slaves.” The hardening of his position, in the conflict that that has killed and wounded tens of thousands of people, further cranked up tensions, already at levels unseen since the Cold War.

The European Union immediately responded to Putin’s latest step with a joint statement rejecting and condemning “the illegal annexation” of the four regions: Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

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The above map shows the regions in question. It would completely cut off the Sea of Azov from Ukraine and provides Russia a direct land route to Crimea.

Ukraine vowed to continue fighting.

“We don’t pay attention to those whose time to take pills has come. The army is working, Ukraine is united — only moving forward,” said Andrii Yermak, head of the presidential office..

The ceremony came three days after the completion in the occupied regions of Kremlin-orchestrated “referendums” on joining Russia that were dismissed by Kyiv and the West as a bare-faced land grab held at gunpoint and based on lies.

In his speech railing at the West, Putin urged Ukraine to sit down for talks and said it should treat the Kremlin-managed votes “with respect.” But he immediately qualified his offer of negotiations with a stern warning that surrendering control of the four regions would not be on the table.

Putin portrayed his invasion as part of a historical mission to reclaim Russia’s great power status and counter Western domination that he said is collapsing.

“History has called us to a battlefield to fight for our people, for the grand historic Russia, for future generations,” he said.

The separatist Donetsk and Luhansk regions in eastern Ukraine have been backed by Moscow since declaring independence in 2014, weeks after the annexation of Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula. The southern Kherson region and part of neighboring Zaporizhzhia were captured by Russia soon after Putin sent troops into Ukraine on Feb. 24.

Both houses of the Kremlin-controlled Russian parliament will meet next week to rubber-stamp the treaties for the regions to join Russia, sending them to Putin for his approval.

Putin and his lieutenants have bluntly warned Ukraine against pressing an offensive to reclaim the regions, saying Russia would view it as an act of aggression – threats that Moscow can back up with the world’s largest arsenal of nuclear warheads.

The Kremlin-organized votes in Ukraine were an attempt by Putin to avoid more defeats on the battlefields that could threaten his 22-year rule. By setting Russia’s gains in stone, at least on paper, Putin seemingly hopes to scare Ukraine and its Western backers with the prospect of an increasingly escalatory conflict unless they back down — which they show no signs of doing.

Russia controls most of the Luhansk and Kherson regions, about 60% of the Donetsk region and a large chunk of the Zaporizhzhia region where it took control of Europe’s largest nuclear power plant.

The push forward with annexation comes with the Kremlin on the verge of another stinging battlefield loss, with reports of the imminent Ukrainian encirclement of the eastern city of Lyman.

Retaking it could open the path for Ukraine to push deep into Luhansk, one of the regions Russia is absorbing.

“It looks quite pathetic. Ukrainians are doing something, taking steps in the real material world, while the Kremlin is building some kind of a virtual reality, incapable of responding in the real world,” former Kremlin speechwriter turned political analyst Abbas Gallyamov said.

“People understand that the politics is now on the battlefield,” he added. “What’s important is who advances and who retreats. In that sense, the Kremlin cannot offer anything сomforting to the Russians.”

Russia on Friday also pounded Ukrainian cities with missiles, rockets and suicide drones, with one strike reported to have killed 25 people. The salvos together amounted to the heaviest barrage that Russia has unleashed for weeks.

They followed analysts’ warnings that Putin was likely to dip more heavily into his dwindling stocks of precision weapons and step up attacks as part of a strategy to escalate the war to an extent that would shatter Western support for Ukraine.

A Ukrainian counteroffensive has deprived Moscow of mastery on the military fields of battle. Its hold of the Luhansk region appears increasingly shaky, as Ukrainian forces make inroads there, with the pincer assault on Lyman. Ukraine also still has a large foothold in the neighboring Donetsk region.

In the Zaporizhzhia region’s capital, anti-aircraft missiles that Russia has repurposed as ground-attack weapons rained down Friday on people who were waiting in cars to cross into Russian-occupied territory so they could bring family members back across front lines, the deputy head of Ukraine’s presidential office, Kyrylo Tymoshenko, said.

The general prosecutor’s office said 25 people were killed and 50 wounded. The strike left deep impact craters and sent shrapnel tearing through the humanitarian convoy’s lined-up vehicles, killing their passengers. Nearby buildings were demolished. Trash bags, blankets and, for one victim, a blood-soaked towel, were used to cover bodies.

Russian-installed officials in Zaporizhzhia blamed Ukrainian forces for the strike, but provided no evidence.

Russian strikes were also reported in the city of Dnipro. The regional governor, Valentyn Reznichenko, said at least one person was killed and five were wounded.

Ukraine’s air force said the southern cities of Mykolaiv and Odesa were also targeted with Iranian-supplied suicide drones that Russia has increasingly deployed in recent weeks, seemingly to avoid losing more pilots who don’t have control of Ukraine’s skies.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called an emergency meeting of his National Security and Defense Council and denounced the latest Russian strikes.

“The enemy rages and seeks revenge for our steadfastness and his failures,” he posted on his Telegram channel. “You will definitely answer. For every lost Ukrainian life!”

With Ukraine vowing to take back all occupied territory and Russia pledging to defend its gains, threatening nuclear-weapon use and mobilizing an additional 300,000 troops despite protests, the two nations are on an increasingly escalatory collision course.

That was underscored by the fighting for Lyman, a key node for Russian military operations in the Donbas and a sought-after prize in the Ukrainian counteroffensive launched in late August.

The Russian-backed separatist leader of Donetsk, Denis Pushilin, said the city is now “half-encircled” by Ukrainian forces. In comments reported by Russian state news agency RIA Novosti, he described the setback as “worrying news.”

”Ukraine’s armed formations,” he said, “are trying very hard to spoil our celebration,”

As the quote in this article confirms, "politics is now on the battlefield," so I'm not sure who is buying this annexation "treaty." But if the Ukrainians try to take these territories back, would Russia really use nukes?
 

mikkel_the_dane

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As the quote in this article confirms, "politics is now on the battlefield," so I'm not sure who is buying this annexation "treaty." But if the Ukrainians try to take these territories back, would Russia really use nukes?

Maybe, but it could also be politics to get the West to back off.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Another question....
If Ukraine doesn't take them back, will Russia
continue invading neighbors to take their land?

This question can be answered with more
confidence than the nuclear weapon one.
Yes.
That's a fair point.

Even if Ukraine negotiated peace now what's to stop Russia doing the old rinse and repeat next year?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That's a fair point.

Even if Ukraine negotiated peace now what's to stop Russia doing the old rinse and repeat next year?
Putin has stated larger plans.
If he's rewarded for his efforts at this stage,
then it would make sense to continue.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
If these lands want to be parts of Russia, let them be part of Russia.

Vox Populi, Vox Dei,
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Putin has stated larger plans.
If he's rewarded for his efforts at this stage,
then it would make sense to continue.
We Europeans want peace.
If Putin grants us peace in exchange for those lands, we have a deal.

And we don't want interference from overseas.:)
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
We Europeans want peace.
If Putin grants us peace in exchange for those lands, we have a deal.
I can understand your wanting peace
at the cost of some other country.
Hey....why don't you offer to give Putin
some of Italy? After all, Italians like him,
& would be happy becoming Russians.
 
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Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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If Putin grants us peace in exchange for those lands, we have a deal.

Essentially, this seems to me a paraphrasing of "the aggressor will stop the aggression if we just give him what he wants."

I shudder to think what such an approach would have resulted in during either World War.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I can understand your wanting peace
at the cost of some other country.
Hey....why don't you offer to give Putin
some of Italy? After all, Italians like him,
& would be happy becoming Russians.

If he liberates us from the Sorosian stuff...immediately...we give him the crown, after rolling red carpets at him.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Essentially, this seems to me a paraphrasing of "the aggressor will stop the aggression if we just give him what he wants."

I shudder to think what such an approach would have resulted in during either World War.
There have been referendums. The people has decided. Democratic decision.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
If he liberates us from the Sorosian stuff...immediately...we give him the crown, after rolling red carpets at him.
Why not actually offer your country to Putin?
This might end the invasion of Ukraine.
Everyone would be happy.
- Ukraine would remain independent, & regain peace.
- Italians would get the kind of ruler they want.
- Russian would expand its empire into the Mediterranean.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Why not actually offer your country to Putin?
This might end the invasion of Ukraine.
Everyone would be happy.
- Ukraine would remain independent, & regain peace.
- Italians would get the kind of ruler they want.
- Russian would expand its empire into the Mediterranean.

We are dealing with a war between the Ukrainian government and Russia. Russia wanted to liberate the Russian speaking populations living in those regions, from years of persecutions started with Poroshenko.
Period. They did it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
We are dealing with a war between the Ukrainian government and Russia. Russia wanted to liberate the Russian speaking populations living in those regions, from years of persecutions started with Poroshenko.
Period. They did it.
Russia doesn't appear to have been greeted as
heroes rescuing them. Nay, the Russkies have
lost many lives while destroying Ukrainian cities.
Doesn't sound like anyone was rescued.
I hope that all Russian invaders die quickly, so
that this war can end with Ukraine intact.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Ukraine needs to be rebuilt...right?

The fact that he annexed all those lands, it means it will be Putin to spend the money to rebuild them.
The EU will spend much less money on rebuilding Western Ukraine ...so less burden for Europeans.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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There have been referendums. The people has decided. Democratic decision.

Wartime referendums under the threat of violence don't count for anything. Besides, secession isn't such a simple issue, referendums or not. Would Italy allow Naples or Milan to secede if they held referendums and ostensibly wanted to join another country?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Wartime referendums under the threat of violence don't count for anything. Besides, secession isn't such a simple issue, referendums or not. Would Italy allow Naples or Milan to secede if they held referendums and ostensibly wanted to join another country?
International Law states that they are allowed to do that, and no Constitutional norm prevents them from doing that.
 
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