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Prophecy of Nuclear Holocaust in Surah Homaza

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
Assalamualaikum ... oh yes peace be upon all of you. It is a pain that the world has come to this. And the worst is yet to come. Below is from Nuclear Holocaust.

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Woe to every backbiter, slanderer,
Who amasses wealth and counts it over and over.
He imagines that his wealth will make him immortal.
Nay! he shall surely be cast into the "hotamah".
And what should make thee know what the "hotamah" is?
Allah's fire as preserved fuel,
Which will leap suddenly on to the hearts.
It is locked up in outstretched pillars to be used against them.


This short Quranic Chapter is densely packed with astounding statements which lie far beyond the reach of the people of that age. Strange is it not, to read that the sinful people of a certain description would be cast into the hotamah, which means the tiniest of particles, such as we see floating in a beam of light which passes through a poorly lit room.

Authentic Arabic lexicons describe hotamah as possessing two root meanings; first hatamah, which means 'to pound' or 'pulverize into extremely small particles', and the second hitmah, which means 'the smallest insignificant particle'. Thus hitmah is the result obtained by breaking something down to its smallest constituents.

The two meanings just mentioned can rightfully be applied to any extremely minute particle which has reached the limits of its divisible potential. As the concept of the atom had not been born fourteen hundred years ago, the nearest substitute to it could only be hotamah which also sounds intriguingly close to atom (note the latin word for atom was Hatom). One hardly recovers from the shock of the claim that a time would come when man would be cast in the hotamah when another claim, even more bizarre, comes in its wake.

"And what should make thee know what hotamah is?" The statement has science written all over it. There was no way anyone 1400 years ago could have understood how humans could be in particles. Yet in this Surah hotamah is not the atom. It is "Allah's fire". Indeed the Quran is referring to the atomic bomb.

This is the first part of my explanation. The next two verses further seal the prophecy. But I want to make sure everyone understands this first part.
 

kai

ragamuffin
not everyone reads that and comes to the conclusion "Atomic Bomb"


Surah 104
The Slanderer - al Humazah

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful!

Woe to every taunting slanderer and backbiter, who piles up wealth and keeps it counting again and again, thinking that his wealth will make him immortal. By no means! He will indeed be flung into the crushing one. Would that you know what the crushing one is! It is Allah's own kindled fire, which rages over men's hearts. It is closed on them from everyside, in towering columns.
Surah 104 - The Slanderer - al Humazah - by Syed Qutb
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
your favourite what? he has some rather extreme views.
I have never read amazing and impressive commentaries on the Qur'an as Sayyed Qutb's commentaries, masha' Allah, sometimes I feel he was given divine light to bring out something like "In the Shade of the Qur'an". It is really a masterpiece. We disagree with some of his opinions without any doubt and maybe they should be read in the context of the political and social circumstances at his time. I intend to read his book "Milestones" soon, isA, to undertand his views more.
 

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
Did everyone understand the argument? And does anyone have refutation for it?

For those who think the evidence (despite the use of the word Hotamah (atom)) is not strong enough ... its not over yet. Everything that Sayyed Qutb said is the face value import of the verses. But I will give more evidence that the atomic interpretation (or any bomb, in fact, that divides molecules at their limits of divisibility) is true.

What point I ask would it make for Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) to state "you will be cast into particles"? It makes no sense in terms of punishment. Mainstream Islam will just resort to: it talks about hereafter and we don't know the hereafter and ... whatever man.
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Do we have to just understand it, or we have to accept it as well?

Anyhow, i really don't buy any of what you have presented so far and any word can be twisted as you please if you want it. It's so simple.

Hotamah is one of the names of fire and it's especialization in the hereafter "in hell" is to burn the entire body except the heart, then when it reached to the heart, and it will come back to burn the rest of the body. There is a specific type of fire for each evil doing by people.

This is according to Tafseer ibn khatheer by the way.
 

kai

ragamuffin
show me a word thats scientific that no one could even know its meaning until now , show me something for example ,from the elemental table just sitting there waiting to be understood in an ancient manuscript that all the scholars over the ages could not say what it meant until now, something that there was no interpretation for, because it was waiting to be understood, just sitting there like a time capsule, and i will say, wow that is something for me to look at very seriously, that could well be prophetic , now that would be serious.
 
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tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
Do we have to just understand it, or we have to accept it as well?
Understand. Acceptance is your choice.

show me a word thats scientific that no one could even know its meaning until now , show me something for example ,from the elemental table just sitting there waiting to be understood in an ancient manuscript that all the scholars over the ages could not say what it meant until now, something that there was no interpretation for, because it was waiting to be understood, just sitting there like a time capsule, and i will say, wow that is something for me to look at very seriously, that could well be prophetic , now that would be serious.
Isn't that what I just did? No one knew about atoms or of the huge energy stored in them. Quran says The Hotamah is a fire of God. Scholars over the ages did not get what it meant always attributing it to the hereafter simply because they didn't get it (like Tashan showed in his example from ibn-e-Katheer). It was waiting to be understood once the atomic bomb was blasted and voila .. turns out the atom (or anything near its limit of divisibility) does contain a hell lot of energy ... energy that burns and, sadly, kills.
 

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
Now moving on God explains that this fire is not ordinary fire in that it "will leap suddenly on to the hearts". Oh what exactness. What sort of fire leaps onto hearts? We know that fire burns skin first and then goes on into the heart. But here God speaks of fire that leaps onto the heart?

The x-rays also travel sideways in all directions along with the neutrons, causing immense heat which burns everything on its way. The speed at which this heat front moves is many times the speed of sound which also creates shockwaves. But much faster and more penetrating than this are the gamma rays which outpace the heat front by leaping forward at the speed of light. They are so immensely vibrant that by the sheer force of their vibration they strike the hearts dead. So death is not caused by the intense heat generated by x-rays, it is the tremendous energy of the gamma rays which inflicts instantaneous death. This is exactly how the Holy Quran describes it.

That is the second piece of evidence from the next verse.
 

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
The "fire leaps onto the hearts" seems to have worked. Combined with the statement that "Hotamah" is "Allah's fire" the prophecy stops the honest ones in their tracks.
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The "fire leaps onto the hearts" seems to have worked. Combined with the statement that "Hotamah" is "Allah's fire" the prophecy stops the honest ones in their tracks.

Before all that, do you believe in the hell of the hereafter? or there would be no hell?
 

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
Of course I believe in hell and hereafter.

Let me clarify that the meaning you attribute to these verses as referring to the afterlife might very well be correct and true. But that meaning aside there is a special meaning of these verses for our time as it has been ("forgive my lack of seemingly modesty" (Dumbledore)) proven above.
 

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
I just hope those science/prophecy requiring people have been satisfied (somewhat at least).

The last bit of evidence to completely seal the argument is the statement that this "fire" has been "It is locked up in outstretched pillars to be used against them."

Really, after this final statement that perfectly fits the shape of a missile carrying an atomic bomb ... really.

There is one final point I wish to make here in the next post ...
The Holy Quran, though speaking of scientific events with great precision, does not assume the role of a mere scientific instructor.
 

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
As quoted from the book mentioned in the OP "The Holy Quran, though speaking of scientific events with great precision, does not assume the role of a mere scientific instructor."

I wish to bring everyone's attention to two properties of the people who will suffer from the aforementioned holocaust. It is a prophecy and a simultaneous warning. The Quranic Surah as quoted in the OP states:
"Who amasses wealth and counts it over and over.
He imagines that his wealth will make him immortal."

Money has always been a human greed. But it is more so now than in any other time. The free market exists on the grounds that, as Adam Smith tried to put it, if everyone is selfish the "invisible hand" will ensure economic efficiency and equal distribution.

People of the West and people of the East, you have tried to using several philosophies somehow integrate humans' selfishness with the general well-being of the economy. But as long as people only care about protecting their self-interests (money goes out of everyone's pocket and into mine) or national interests (money goes out of every other country's pocket and into ours) you can never achieve peace. As long as no country in the world is willing to sacrifice its national interest for the sake of global justice there will not be peace. Moreover this seeming peace that has been established within the developed world will also break down.

People of the developed world let me assure you that try as they might these Muslims who think they can defeat you by terrorism or physical war ... let them dream on. God has given you military might they can not match. However, it is you who will destroy each other. Because sooner or later your self-interests will collide and when that happens ... World War 3.

Look at all these presidents and all those who passed before them in the US, Pakistan, UK, Palestine, Israel, North Korea, China, Japan, Germany, France, and Russia. Can any one of them dare to claim that when faced with the choice of Global Justice and National Interests they will choose National Interests?

They think ... they count their money and they think ... they think their wealth will protect them. But nay, they will be cast into a Nuclear Holocaust. The question is, does any one of us really want to know what a Nuclear Holocaust looks like?
 
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Muffled

Jesus in me
Assalamualaikum ... oh yes peace be upon all of you. It is a pain that the world has come to this. And the worst is yet to come. Below is from Nuclear Holocaust.

Arabic_Page613.gif
Woe to every backbiter, slanderer,
Who amasses wealth and counts it over and over.
He imagines that his wealth will make him immortal.
Nay! he shall surely be cast into the "hotamah".
And what should make thee know what the "hotamah" is?
Allah's fire as preserved fuel,
Which will leap suddenly on to the hearts.
It is locked up in outstretched pillars to be used against them.


This short Quranic Chapter is densely packed with astounding statements which lie far beyond the reach of the people of that age. Strange is it not, to read that the sinful people of a certain description would be cast into the hotamah, which means the tiniest of particles, such as we see floating in a beam of light which passes through a poorly lit room.

Authentic Arabic lexicons describe hotamah as possessing two root meanings; first hatamah, which means 'to pound' or 'pulverize into extremely small particles', and the second hitmah, which means 'the smallest insignificant particle'. Thus hitmah is the result obtained by breaking something down to its smallest constituents.

The two meanings just mentioned can rightfully be applied to any extremely minute particle which has reached the limits of its divisible potential. As the concept of the atom had not been born fourteen hundred years ago, the nearest substitute to it could only be hotamah which also sounds intriguingly close to atom (note the latin word for atom was Hatom). One hardly recovers from the shock of the claim that a time would come when man would be cast in the hotamah when another claim, even more bizarre, comes in its wake.

"And what should make thee know what hotamah is?" The statement has science written all over it. There was no way anyone 1400 years ago could have understood how humans could be in particles. Yet in this Surah hotamah is not the atom. It is "Allah's fire". Indeed the Quran is referring to the atomic bomb.

This is the first part of my explanation. The next two verses further seal the prophecy. But I want to make sure everyone understands this first part.

Here is another case where the language has no reference because the object does not exist yet, so the object has to be described. These pillars are no doubt missles that carry the bombs.

There is reference in Biblical prophecy also to nuclear explosions. I don't doubt for a minute that people are stupid and hateful enough to do this.
 

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
Firstly, thank you.

Secondly, can you please give me references to biblical accounts of the Atomic/Nuclear bombs. I want to know if they are as exact in their description as the Quran is? Maybe you wish to do that on a seperate thread. If you do please place a pointer there.
 

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
I'm sorry Tariq but once again you seem to be making things conveniently fit into something you want it to fit into. Yers, it all makes sense, but only if you let it make sense. Your provide comprehensive evidence to support your own findings, but there is a level of uncertianty in it in. I agree that you could make the assumption that the Quran describes a nuclear war, but i disagree that this is a certainty. If you read this passage for the first time without prior knowledge, would you tsraight away think "oh nuclear war" very unlikely.
 
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