Premarital Sex vs. Homosexuality

[emiliano]

The reason is simple if you love them you want them in God kingdom and to get that we must obey God, I repeat we are commanded to love all humans but abhor sin as sin is evil because it damages the soul we must abhor the evil of sin. The two main commandment are to love God above all thing and our fellowman as we love ourself. If we see the lost and don’t do everything to turn them to God we don’t love them nor do we love God.

The process that the Church must indicate is, homosexuals must repent for their sins (this is the same for all sins) in order to get back to God and get the help that they need to withstand the temptations that lead then to this unnatural behaviour sanctioned by God, sin is evil because it separates us from God and His assistance in developing virtues one of them is self-control.
God does not demand that they change and become straight what He demand is that they control this unnatural behaviour. The loving kind God that I know is the one that desires that all be saved and gave us the manual (the Bible) to guide us to Him and conform us for a living in His kingdom.
1Cr 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
As a Christian I believe that the epistles are God inspired and the constitution of the Christian Church, I am sad that you think of God as evil, but what can we do it is your opinion and your message.

 

[Smoke]

I agree with Stephen's post.

And yes, it IS hypocritical to condemn homosexual sex but not be consistently against premarital or extramarital sex as well.

As a Christian, I have a pretty big problem with that sort of hypocrisy. For instance, the parents who give their daughter a huge white wedding after she's been shacking up with her boyfriend for four years. I mean - what sort of shower present do you give to a couple who bought and furnished a house together two years before they got married?

I'm not opposed to them getting married, but skip the white dress and "Piety-For-A-Day" PLEASE.

Personally, I think any couple who are mature enough to get married should probably skip the whole fairy princess fantasy wedding with the ridiculous white dress and all, regardless of how virginal they are. It's probably the most absurd rite of passage in our entire culture, outside of the high school prom, to which it bears a strong resemblance.

I remember hearing about a case in which a fifty-year-old bride chose a backless, strapless gown for her wedding and was informed by the priest that she could not be married in the church in that gown. There was some controversy about the priest telling her how she could dress, but my feeling about it was that a fifty-year-old woman who will wear a backless, strapless gown in church is in desperate need of somebody to tell her how to dress.

 

[justbehappy]

Homosexuals are not regarded as Christians, but they are loved by Christians every bit as much as heterosexuals, because Christians love everyone, no matter what they have done, or will do.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
Let me speak hypothetically.
Homosexuals are sinners, correct?
Adulterers, rapists, murderers, burgulars, they're all sinners, correct? Are they not regarded as Christians either, just because they are sinners?
And really, wouldn't it be that NO ONE is Christian because NO ONE is without sin?
I seriously do not understand your logic here.

And to the "Christians love everyone"
This is just humorous to me.
I honestly think the only person capable of loving everyone is God (if he exists)

 

[Smoke]

But don't whinge to Christians, because they won't budge an inch

That's quite often true. Clinging firmly to outrageously stupid opinions is unfortunately very characteristic of certain types of Christians.

 

[justbehappy]

It depends what is meant by 'associate with'. Christians can certainly meet and socialise with homosexuals, and become friends, if homosexuals want that.

Sorry if I'm wrong here, but the last part of that statement seemed to be implying that we don't want to associate ourselves with Christians.

 

[Misty]

The process that the Church must indicate is, homosexuals must repent for their sins (this is the same for all sins) in order to get back to God and get the help that they need to withstand the temptations that lead then to this unnatural behaviour sanctioned by God, sin is evil because it separates us from God and His assistance in developing virtues one of them is self-control.
God does not demand that they change and become straight what He demand is that they control this unnatural behaviour. The loving kind God that I know is the one that desires that all be saved and gave us the manual (the Bible) to guide us to Him and conform us for a living in His kingdom.
1Cr 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
As a Christian I believe that the epistles are God inspired and the constitution of the Christian Church, I am sad that you think of God as evil, but what can we do it is your opinion and your message.

What an evil and sick doctrine!

 

[justbehappy]

The process that the Church must indicate is, homosexuals must repent for their sins (this is the same for all sins) in order to get back to God and get the help that they need to withstand the temptations that lead then to this unnatural behaviour sanctioned by God, sin is evil because it separates us from God and His assistance in developing virtues one of them is self-control.
God does not demand that they change and become straight what He demand is that they control this unnatural behaviour. The loving kind God that I know is the one that desires that all be saved and gave us the manual (the Bible) to guide us to Him and conform us for a living in His kingdom.
1Cr 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
As a Christian I believe that the epistles are God inspired and the constitution of the Christian Church, I am sad that you think of God as evil, but what can we do it is your opinion and your message.

Why would a loving God want us to supress a life-long desire. Why are we not able to love just because we don't have attraction for the opposite sex (speaking for non-bisexuals)

 

[Smoke]

IAnd what did Jesus say were bad fruits? Theft, violence, adultery, fornication, drunkenness, and sodomy.

So anyone who says that homosexuals can be Christians simply doesn't know what he's talking about. At best.

Actually, Jesus didn't say that at all, so it's rather obvious that you simply don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Smoke]

Sorry if I'm wrong here, but the last part of that statement seemed to be implying that we don't want to associate ourselves with Christians.

I certainly don't want to associate myself with the kind of Christian kejos is. Life is too short for that.

 

[emiliano]

Perhaps you misunderstand.
You were supposed to present Bible verses that state that homosexuality is unnatural.

How do we dishonour our bodies amongst ourselves?
How do we “exchanged the natural use for what is against nature”?
Changing what is natural is changing it for what is unnatural, contra nature.

 

[emiliano]

Why would a loving God want us to supress a life-long desire. Why are we not able to love just because we don't have attraction for the opposite sex (speaking for non-bisexuals)

You miss the point here, there are several kinds of love and expressing love in this way is specifically forbidden to Christian congregations. It is a prohibition to Christian, you are free to choose any religion you want, but if you want to become a Christian you must obey what the Christian doctrines command, it is the duty of all Christians to let you know of the all restrictions that Christianity has on its members, that is in the case that you want to become a member of the Christian Church. Do you? Thus this is right you can’t be a homosexual and a Christian at the same time, you must resign to this behaviour, repent and change or else you cannot be a Christian and I can tell you that been a Christian is not easy and that is not a promise that the Bible makes.
Mat 13:38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked [one].
There are two desires that are presented to us, one is God’s desires and our desires choose right! BTW the way I thought that you are bi-sexual.

 

[emiliano]

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
Let me speak hypothetically.
Homosexuals are sinners, correct?
Adulterers, rapists, murderers, burgulars, they're all sinners, correct? Are they not regarded as Christians either, just because they are sinners?
And really, wouldn't it be that NO ONE is Christian because NO ONE is without sin?
I seriously do not understand your logic here.

And to the "Christians love everyone"
This is just humorous to me.
I honestly think the only person capable of loving everyone is God (if he exists)

You still don’t get it, you are not excommunicated because you sin, we are all sinner, you are excommunicate if you refuse to repent and change.
Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.
How do you think that your brother in the contrabassoon can restore you?
By changing God’s law?
By accepting you’re your doctrines?

 

[Misty]

How do we dishonour our bodies amongst ourselves?
How do we “exchanged the natural use for what is against nature”?
Changing what is natural is changing it for what is unnatural, contra nature.

It is as natural to be homosexual as it is to be heterosexual, only bigots think homosexuality abnormal.

 

[McBell]

How do we dishonour our bodies amongst ourselves?
How do we “exchanged the natural use for what is against nature”?
Changing what is natural is changing it for what is unnatural, contra nature.

I have no idea how you do it.
But it is interesting to note that how you or I would or would not do it has absolutely NOTHING to do with how they back then would do it.
You assume that it is talking about homosexuality, but one can just as easily claim it is about doggy style between man and woman.

Hells bells, you can just as easily say it is about woman peeing standing up.

 

[emiliano]

It is as natural to be homosexual as it is to be heterosexual, only bigots think homosexuality abnormal.

It is only a matter of looking at the way we are a made. A male and a female humans part clearly indicate it natural use, thinking/seen it in another way is abnormal. Also the way we name them indicate their natural use “reproductive organs” does this suggest to you that it natural/normal use is to have sex with one of the same gender?

 

[kejos]

It is only a matter of looking at the way we are a made. A male and a female humans part clearly indicate it natural use, thinking/seen it in another way is abnormal. Also the way we name them indicate their natural use “reproductive organs” does this suggest to you that it natural/normal use is to have sex with one of the same gender?

If every body was homosexual, there wouldn't be any body.

 

[Misty]

If every body was homosexual, there wouldn't be any body.

But not everyone is homosexual, so there is no problem!

 

[Misty]

It is only a matter of looking at the way we are a made. A male and a female humans part clearly indicate it natural use, thinking/seen it in another way is abnormal. Also the way we name them indicate their natural use “reproductive organs” does this suggest to you that it natural/normal use is to have sex with one of the same gender?

Yes, why not? Whatever turns you on providing you are in an adult consenting relationship, and not cheating on your partner gay or straight.

 

[kejos]

But not everyone is homosexual

But they are told 'You don't know what you're missing.'

Lucky they don't believe it, eh.

 

[emiliano]

I have no idea how you do it.
But it is interesting to note that how you or I would or would not do it has absolutely NOTHING to do with how they back then would do it.
You assume that it is talking about homosexuality, but one can just as easily claim it is about doggy style between man and woman.

Hells bells, you can just as easily say it is about woman peeing standing up.

How did women worked out that they should not do it standing up?
In respect to the unnatural use of women this may make it clearer.
Rom 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Do you think that God is ok with indecency?
Has God at any time condoned this behaviour?
I say no, rather He calls it “indecent acts” “perversion”
perversion
perversion [pər vúrsh’n]
(plural perversions)
n (disapproving)
1. unusual sexual practice: a sexual practice regarded as abnormal
2. turning of good into bad: the changing of something good, true, or correct into something bad or wrong or a situation in which the change has occurred
perversion of justice

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It is clear if anybody want to be Christian they must resign to this perversion.