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  1. Fool

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    yes, yes, yes............

    you can't give to the ABSOLUTE what is the ABSOLUTE's to begin with. Isaiah discusses this in the last chapter. He too refers to the name of names. he said, i require mercy not sacrifice.




    66 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? 2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. 3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. 4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

    5 Hear the word of the Lord, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the Lordbe glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

    6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies. 7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.


    in an instant, like lightening flashing from east to west, so is the coming and the self-realization of I AM that i am.
     
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    It doesn't matter if you know you can't give him anything are you going to obey? Because he asked for it.

    Leviticus 4:35 KJVS
    And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat of the lamb is taken away from the sacrifice of the peace offerings; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the Lord : and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him.

    Yes he then asked for mercy not sacrifice. This is why Jesus was the lamb of God and sacrifices were no more.

    His name is not I AM.

    Isaiah 42:8 KJVS
    I am the LORD(YHWH) : that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

    Also this is talking about the second coming of christ.

    Matthew 24:27 KJVS
    For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    You're added words again. Doesn't say self-realization.
     
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    the golden rule isn't unique to any one religion


    Love fulfills the Law. The levitical laws aren't necessary. again, had you bothered to read isaiah 66 it tells you what is thought of sacrifices. Human sacrifices are even more abhorrent. a god that requires sacrifices is not the Most High


    3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.


    son of man is a term used to refer to humanity by the jews.i linked an article to jewish encyclopedia showing that. Jesus is again not exclusively the son of man. Ezekiel used the term too.

    Son of Man
     
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    Yes, love sure did fulfilled the law.
    But guess what, you were saved by the law in the old.

    It doesn't matter about what you think if it wasn't necessary, it was in the bible. You can not pick and choose what you would like. This is not Burger King. You cannot have it your way.

    I did read Isaiah 66. I have understanding. This is why Jesus was the last sacrifice.
    Hebrews10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

    He claimed to be the Son of Man.

    28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

    And he will come back. No one else is coming back. Jesus Christ is coming back.


    Matthew25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
     
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    the fool didn't exist in the old. i exist now. i have the spirit of christ. i don't have the spirit of Jesus.

    But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

    the pharisees, sadducees and lawyers had it wrong in the past. if God was your Father you would have loved me............love one another as i loved you. he didn't say greater, less, or based on appearances but "like" i loved you.



    i don't practice idolatry. apostolics do



    you have an apostolic understanding. god is not a respecter of apostolics or any other religion per se. justice is blind to appearance but not to actions.



    god called ezekiel son of man.



    all who come to serve offer their lives in service. its the fruit of the spirit.

    Isaiah 32:15
    Until the spirit be poured upon us from on high, and the wilderness be a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be counted for a forest.

    Galatians 5:22
    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,




    all the sheep of the world. hmmm, interesting it doesn't say anything about christians but all the sheep of the world.

    he must be speaking of ezekiel; if we take it literally then

    Ezekiel 33:2
    Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:


    jesus isn't coming back riding a cloud, or any other way. otherwise he lied about the comforter

    Matthew 16:28
    Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

    the kingdom of god is at hand; if you can grasp it.

    Mark 9:1
    And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

    the kingdom of god is at hand; behold I AM with you always.

    Luke 9:27
    But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.


    the kingdom of god is at hand; it doesn't come with your careful observation but with a flash of insight, inward.

    the spirit of the heart reveals all

    Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.




    And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
     
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    You have to be in Christ no one is just in Christ you must be born again to receive the spirit.

    John 3:5 KJVS
    Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

    John 12:44-47,50 KJVS
    Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. [45] And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. [46] I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. [47] And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [50] And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

    I agree about action. And about the respecter of person. Everyone can just say I faith.

    Yes, Until.

    Acts 2:38-39 KJVS
    Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. [39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

    I never said it was only christians. Everyone will be Judged.

    Of course he is. The comforter is the spirit. Did not lie at all.

    He was talking to his diciples. Some did not die. That was for that time.
     
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    We've discussed this already. Not recognizing that God creates with Spirit and water is the first death that the person must overcome. that they are first born of the Spirit and then the flesh.

    The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


    you keep revisiting the same old stuff trying to advocate idolatry. i understand why people do this too. they do it out of fear of losing their eternal life. but even these believe life is eternal in heaven or hell. both are a state of mind. one is believing they are from below. the other believes they are from above. fear is not made perfect in love. to love someone doesn't make them into an idol. to love someone doesn't make them more good/bad than self.

    For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

    i don't have the Spirit of Jesus, or the mind of Jesus. i have the mind of christ. the consciousness that is impressed upon the lamb's forehead. my father is spirit. jesus isn't my father. jesus is our brother. i don't worship any of my family as greater/lesser than another.

    In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    you worship Jesus in the flesh. the flesh counts for nothing. christ transcends jesus. christ is all things, in all forms, in all places, and at all times. jesus is not me. jesus is not you. jesus wasn't mary. jesus wasn't melchizedek the person. jesus isn't anymore. christ was, is, and will always be.
     
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    You keep bringing me here. lol.

    17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. The Lord is Jesus.

    Colossians3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ(Jesus), seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

    2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

    3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. We are dead by being baptized.

    4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.


    Colossians2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

    Have you been baptized?

    Yes Jesus Christ in the Image of God.

    John4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. I worship him in Spirit and in truth.

    20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
     
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    i don't force you to do anything. your unbelief in what i say draws you here, otherwise you wouldn't keep advocating idolatry to a man; which is a cult of personality. they are dead; if they believe they are from below.

    Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Daniel 12:2
    And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

    Rev 3:2

    2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have found your deeds unfinished in the sight of my God.


    being dipped in water doesn't make anything but the outward self clean. washing the inside of the cup with the Ineffable Name is self-fulfilling. my cup runneth over..........


    everything is an image of God because It created everything within itself.


    no you worship a fleshly person at the expense of God's whole creation that he made, saw, and declared good. people manipulate the image of something to gain something from it. you can't profit from what you can't control. this is why revelation talks about the merchants of the world no longer profit from the image of the beast after the corrupted church falls.



    that is because I AM that i am, and colossians 3:11 christ is all and in all, and because God the Absolute is everywhere, at all times, in all things.

    jesus isn't
     
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    Got it, you don't believe in the bible. No worries brother/sister.
     
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    i don't believe in apostolic idolatry nor blind obedience to authority. . that isn't the same thing as not believing in the bible. you don't even have to believe in the bible to think right, act right. a tree is known by it's actions/fruits and not by what it reads, or studies. jesus was constantly at odds with the religious elitists. he didn't tell those who believed to read and study the torah. i know little children who don't believe in the apostolic idolatry yet they will still go to heaven because they have not been conditioned to accept idolatry to a man and a dogma that abdicates responsibility enlieu of salvation without love. love is the foundation and capstone; which builds the house.

    Unless the Lord builds the house, the builders labor in vain. Unless the Lord watches over the city, the guards stand watch in vain.\


    without love sin thrives because love covers all sin.

    If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.
     
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    15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

    16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

    17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

    18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

    Jesus Christ said to be baptized. You don't believe that right?
     
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    the gospel is not the bible. the truth doesn't come into being and out of being in a book. the truth is greater than a book. jesus never wrote anything down. everything was imparted orally by himself and his 12 disciples.

    to believe the Truth of Love doesn't require a thing that can be easily picked up by a human hand and thrown down by the same.

    baptizing the outside of a cup, plate, doesn't make it clean.

    For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.


    Matthew 23:25
    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
     
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    Case in point.
     
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    @ Blessed1203

    do you believe that being baptized, reading a bible, idolizing jesus with flattery, and going to church makes someone righteous?

    because the pharisees did all of this too with god


    the tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of heaven before such. How so?
     
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    so you condemn Jesus for not using the bible? quoting paul? not advocating idolatry to himself?
     
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    2 Timothy3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
    They used the Old Testament.

    Romas3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.



    Romans3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets
    22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
    23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
    24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
    25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
    26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    They were the exception not the rule. Just like the thief on the cross.
     
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    Is it not possible, according to you, that what was communicated and then written as Romans 3:22 is; the righteousness toward God by faith like Jesus Christ....
     
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    I'm sorry can you reword that. I'm a little slow.
     
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    God hasn't gone mute; even if Jesus has.

    I don't think Paul trumps Jesus either.

    Matthew 13:17
    For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

    Matthew 23:29
    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

    so yes, jesus said that there was righteous men, noah, abel et al.
     
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