"Pornography: A Christian crisis or overblown issue?"

[Skwim]

No. Sorry, just don't feel like going into explanation.

Sorry about that. I hope it isn't because you've been shamed into not talking about sex.

Yes. 30 y.a. it was mostly romantic sex between loving sexy couple. Now it is mostly dehumanizing, as I said before. Not a trace of love...

I think you've been sorely misguided about this. Of course, not knowing what dehumanizing sex you're talking about, your reply here makes it impossible to judge the worth of your remark.

It's getting more serious. Also, very bad for both, mental and physical health.

I assume you have some reliable evidence for this, its very bad effect on both mental and physical health. Please share.

 

[Skwim]

So what is it that you are trying to explain?

Covellite's observation that "Some or even most especially young people are pushed to do things they are new ways of sexual behavior."

Gotta keep up with the band.

 

[Nietzsche]

Fundamentalists tend to take on causes that don't bite back. Pornographers, gays, pro-choice people -- none of these are known for murdering preachers.

Well clearly, we've found the root of the problem.

In totally unrelated news, I need a camera-man, I wanna make a quick snuff-film.

 

[Skwim]

Well clearly, we've found the root of the problem.

In totally unrelated news, I need a camera-man, I wanna make a quick snuff-film.

 

[columbus]

It's true often enough. How many evangelical pastors and politicians have to get caught balls deep in a guy named 'Tom' before we acknowledge that at least some people decrying any activity are actually denying something in themselves?

Apparently I was the ugliest third grade gay boy ever in the Catholic school system.
I actually did sleep with some priests. All they wanted to do was sleep.
Tom

 

[dgirl1986]

*giggle* you said blown.

In all seriousness...for soemthing that christians are supposed to fear, hate and object to...it sure does get watched a lot by the religious. I guess the industry makes money off of religion making it dirty.

 

[HonestJoe]

I hear you. But even then it is quite an assumption to make. The porn industry has exploded, and so while I may not agree that it is the biggest threat to the church, it isn't a completely crazy idea to think that it is.

Sorry, but It is a completely crazy idea. Identifying it as a general social problem that needs to be addressed or as a compounding factor to other personal and relationship issues is one thing. Saying that it’s “probably the greatest threat to the church in its existence” is completely different.

Frankly I think this kind of ranting extremist drives the major threats to “the church” (as in organised religion rather than general Christian beliefs) since it drives further division within Christianity, discourages people from getting involved in organised religion and makes secularists even more wary and defensive.

 

[MountainPine]

Porn was designed to objectify and degrade women (and men in some cases). It gives an example of how love and sex should not be. Anyone who says they watch porn to enhance their sex life is being dishonest. I used to view/watch porn, and began at age 14 with my dad's permission. All porn ever did was put perverse and disgusting thoughts into my head and has actually destroyed my sex life. I'm still a virgin to this day (I'm 28), and porn is one of the reasons that has impacted my decision to remain abstinent.

Porn is institutionalized prostitution. Most porn stars are extremely unhappy and are on drugs, especially during a shoot. Many of them start off very young, not knowing what to do with their lives, who are employed by pimps. The they are signed into contract, meaning they can't get out of the porn business without the threat of being being sued. There are many documented suicides via mostly drug overdoses among porn stars. Many of them are infected with STDs. Remember this next time you want to watch porn, or pick up a magazine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0q_VGacfNk

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Porn is institutionalized prostitution. Most porn stars are extremely unhappy and are on drugs, especially during a shoot. Many of them start off very young, not knowing what to do with their lives, who are employed by pimps. The they are signed into contract, meaning they can't get out of the porn business without the threat of being being sued. There are many documented suicides via mostly drug overdoses among porn stars. Many of them are infected with STDs. Remember this next time you want to watch porn, or pick up a magazine.

This is true, actually. The heterosexual porn industry is pretty sick and has many problems. Physical injuries are a common occurrence, as well. Gay porn has its problems, too, but it's not exactly the same because males and females aren't the same.

 

[Skwim]

Porn was designed to objectify and degrade women (and men in some cases).

Give me a break. First and foremost, porn is made to make money. No money: no porn. Secondly, porn is made to arouse. No arousal, no incentive to pay for it. No incentive to pay for it, no money coming in. That it may be seen as objectifying and degrading is only a secondary aspect..

It gives an example of how love and sex should not be.

According to whom? You? Why should we care what you think should or should not be? Gotta do much better than this if you intend to convince.

Anyone who says they watch porn to enhance their sex life is being dishonest.

"Anyone"? You know, with every thing you say your credibility drops by another factor of 10.

I used to view/watch porn, and began at age 14 with my dad's permission. All porn ever did was put perverse and disgusting thoughts into my head and has actually destroyed my sex life. I'm still a virgin to this day (I'm 28), and porn is one of the reasons that has impacted my decision to remain abstinent.

Now that's too bad, but one snowflake does not not make a winter.

Porn is institutionalized prostitution. Most porn stars are extremely unhappy and are on drugs, especially during a shoot. Many of them start off very young, not knowing what to do with their lives, who are employed by pimps. The they are signed into contract, meaning they can't get out of the porn business without the threat of being being sued. There are many documented suicides via mostly drug overdoses among porn stars. Many of them are infected with STDs. Remember this next time you want to watch porn, or pick up a magazine.

Far too much supposed inner working knowledge of the industry to make anything you say credible. You just destroyed your whole rant here. Not that it wasn't on the skids already.

 

[MountainPine]

Far too much supposed inner working knowledge of the industry to make anything you say credible. You just destroyed your whole rant here. Not that it wasn't on the skids already.

Why don't you Google the testimonies of ex-porn stars?

 

[Skwim]

Why don't you Google the testimonies of ex-porn stars?

Are these testimonies of ex-porn stars typical of all, or even most, of the performers in porn? If so, how do you know? I'll bet my copy of Bertrand Russell's Why I am not a Christian against your Bible that you don't.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

Why don't you Google the testimonies of ex-porn stars?

The testimonies of ex-anythings are likely to be somewhat biased. Also, when I searched for "testimonies ex-porn stars" I got a whole string of sites like christianpost, exgaywatch, christianitytoday -- hardly reliable sources of information.

How about the testimonies of porn stars who aren't ex, like Nina Hartley: witty and clever (graduated magna cum laude).

 

[MountainPine]

Most of them are Christian sources, because most ex-porn stars have "found Jesus Christ". Biased sources are not necessarily unreliable. You just need to apply some common sense. Just because the testimony is on a Christian site doesn't mean their accounts are false. Google "Pink Cross Foundation"

 

[columbus]

Most of them are Christian sources, because most ex-porn stars have "found Jesus Christ".

Prolly from squealing "Oh God, Oh God" so much. It's Pascal's Wager on the big screen.
Ewww...
Tom

 

[Skwim]

Most of them are Christian sources, because most ex-porn stars have "found Jesus Christ". Biased sources are not necessarily unreliable. You just need to apply some common sense. Just because the testimony is on a Christian site doesn't mean their accounts are false. Google "Pink Cross Foundation"

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The Pink Cross and Shelley Lubben: An Expose Parts 1-2 of 3

Shelley Lubben claims she was a porn star. According to Lukeisback.com, Ms. Lubben was only in thirty movies from 1993 to 1994. According to information from Julie Meadows, she only did 12 movies. I could only find one of her porn videos where she used the name “Roxy”. Most porn stars commented that Ms. Lubben was no porn star since she was only in the business one year and only did thirty videos.

75-90% of porn performers are prostituted women – Ms. Lubben provides no data to support that proposed “fact”.

66% of porn performers have incurable herpes – Again, she provides no data to support that claim. If it were true, the porn industry wouldn’t be making any movies.



The Truth About Her Ministry Credentials

Shelley Lubben claims she has a Bachelor's of Theology degree from Vision International University in California. It is true but furtive since Vision International University is located in Australia. On their website, it states degrees/credits earned at Vision won’t transfer to an accredited college in America and isn’t designed to do so.

Vision’s website doesn’t offer a “Bachelor’s of Theology” degree. It only offers a Bachelor of Ministry degree completion. It is also a $9,000 course. There is a Masters of Theology degree but that’s not a Bachelors degree.

Shelley Lubben says she’s an ordained Chaplain of the Order of St. Martin. Well, it isn’t hard to get. The Order isn’t even a charity but a “group” as it says on Jeff Hetschels’s LinkedIn profile. It wasn’t hard to find where it is located. It is a single-family home at 24702 Athena, Mission Viejo, California 92691.
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I'm afraid you've been suckered in, MP.

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[Shadow Wolf]

I'm too tired to go fetching studies right now, but people love making a mountain out of an ant hill with porn. When everything is legit, there's nothing wrong with it, and it can even help reduce the number of sexual assaults in a community. The only studies I am aware that suggests there may be an issue is in regards to violent and rape pornography. But, on the flip side, I've a study that suggests men who watch porn are more likely to be "protective" of a woman and come to her aid.
But, clearly their is no correlation between porn causing bad behaviors, or we would have seen a tsunami of these behaviors as the internet became more widely available. And then there is also the Utah porn case, where they tried to ban it but couldn't because too many locals were found to be enjoying it (although secretly).

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm too tired to go fetching studies right now, but people love making a mountain out of an ant hill with porn. When everything is legit, there's nothing wrong with it, and it can even help reduce the number of sexual assaults in a community. The only studies I am aware that suggests there may be an issue is in regards to violent and rape pornography. But, on the flip side, I've a study that suggests men who watch porn are more likely to be "protective" of a woman and come to her aid.
But, clearly their is no correlation between porn causing bad behaviors, or we would have seen a tsunami of these behaviors as the internet became more widely available. And then there is also the Utah porn case, where they tried to ban it but couldn't because too many locals were found to be enjoying it (although secretly).

Also, I don't know why the faithful must complain so much about porn.
Now that it's free, they don't have to go to the barber shop to read Hustler anymore.
(True story....a Baptist I once worked with was upset when they threw out the old ones.)

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

All authority seems to hate and want to eliminate porn.

The Roman authorities loved to feed the popular lusts and depravities . Porn sculpture and paintings were to be found in the best homes. The circuses provided for all the torture and blood lusts imaginable. The only way the people could get more was by supporting the leaders who provided the most. Public brothels held a respected place in every city.

Perhaps modern leaders are missing a trick.

 

[RedDragon94]

So, what do you think? Do you agree with McDowell that “Porn is probably the greatest threat to the church in its existence.” OR is he just trying to create an issue to rile against?

No, it's an issue in the church. People are just as likely to use it inside as well as outside the church.