Pew poll shows most Americans don't want Obamacare.

[oldbadger]

Wonder why the dems adopted it? ..........

Could it be that they wanted to make your country a better land for all?

 

[kal-el]

Wow, so many responses. It absolutely would come to the barrel of a gun. What do you think would happen if people, as in government and states, refused to enforce the Kenyan's socialist pozi scheme? Well they'd be fined, then imprisoned.

It is taking away one's free will and is an assault on their liberty to force someone to give. Just as in Jesus's day, he said the only way to enter heaven is to sell all your possessions and give to the poor. Notice he didn't say that the Roman's should enact legislation that mandates people to give to the poor. Jesus was all about free choice. In a just society, you should have the choice to give, not giving under coersion.

 

[kal-el]

No..... you cannot stop us anywhere.....
A 'Right' is a condition that everybody who is able to 'should pay for'. It's one of the features of a civilised country that supports HUMAN RIGHTS.

Some of you are are just so 'DARK AGES'.

I'm curious where you dreamed up this concept that healthcare is a right, and furthermore, that taxpayers are required to foot the bill.

 

[kal-el]

Wrong! You're thinking of anarchy, there.
That is such a mind-bogglingly crazy sentence!
If you want to live in a community then you need to support it .......... that means paying into it when you are able to.

I have no problems with paying to build roads, foster community services like police and fire, etc. Necessary things. Nobody that I know of supports anarchy. obamacare rations care- that is how it's costs are controlled. In communist and socialist countries, they may have super cheap and/or free care, but they also have extremely long wait times and questionable doctors. There's a reason people around the world come to the US for healthcare, we don't have doctors like House attending them!

 

[kal-el]

..... at WHAT!!!?????
..... Have a look at countries which do have NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICES, and see how amazing they are.

Yea they're so amazing that everyone who is able, comes to the US for their healthcare.

The reason that my wife is still alive is because our NHS leads the way, worldwide, on PhaeoChromoCytoma, and carries out all the lifesaving ops for FREE! In the US, more folks die from this condition, simply because they could never afford the op or the long term Critical Care Ward afterwards. You're in the dark-ages...... and your President is a shining example of brilliant World Class leadership. True.

Good for your wife. Really. But nothing is absolutely free; in other words someone is footing the bill for your "free care."

And I take offense for you suggesting that the foreigner, obama, is my President. Normally when people say that it speaks of hyper-partisanship. But in this case, I truly believe that he is trying to dismantle America, so by denouncing him, I am putting my country first.

 

[metis]

I'm curious where you dreamed up this concept that healthcare is a right, and furthermore, that taxpayers are required to foot the bill.

Here in the States, we have this document called the "Constitution", and in the "Preamble", it states that one of the responsibilities of the federal government is to "provide for the general welfare", and I would suggest that life and death issues like healthcare qualifies.

I would also suggest that a Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc. that has true compassion for all, including the poor, will advocate programs that help them. If voluntary contributions could solve the problem of those who do not have access to adequate healthcare, I'd opt for just using that, but it has never been able to do as such.

 

[metis]

And I take offense for you suggesting that the foreigner, obama, is my President.

Now you've slipped into bigotry. Is this a mark of your "faith"?

 

[kal-el]

Here in the States, we have this document called the "Constitution", and in the "Preamble", it states that one of the responsibilities of the federal government is to "provide for the general welfare", and I would suggest that life and death issues like healthcare qualifies.

I would also suggest that a Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc. that has true compassion for all, including the poor, will advocate programs that help them. If voluntary contributions could solve the problem of those who do not have access to adequate healthcare, I'd opt for just using that, but it has never been able to do as such.

The preamble of the Constitution is an introduction of the works in it's text. No court will interpret anything contained in the preamble as granting a right that's not specifically contained in the Bill of Rights.

 

[kal-el]

Now you've slipped into bigotry. Is this a mark of your "faith"?

Look, the era of" hope and change" is clearly over, and millions of people have buyer's remorse after voting for the snake oil salesman. In 2008 and 2012, soaring rhetoric and looking "cool" were just as good as actual Presidential qualifications.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Kal-el

You poor thing, robbed at gunpoint by those evil communists forcing you to pay for schools, national parks, police, courts, roads - and now basic human rights.

Why not migrate to Antarctica?
Tissue?



Forced to be compassionate huh? Poor thing.

Just wondering how govt services equates to forced purchases from a private entity. Ie; private insurance companies by which its somehow designated as being a tax to qualify as legal under the constution.

Can't think of any government services that run in a similar pattern. Can you?

 

[oldbadger]

I'm curious where you dreamed up this concept that healthcare is a right, and furthermore, that taxpayers are required to foot the bill.

Ohhhh.... you know, it comes along with several other services which a civilised country offers to its communities, for everybody, at taxpayer's expense. Like Pavements, Roads, Police, Fire Brigades, Coastguard, Defence, Education..... etc. etc. Look, the list is fairly lengthy. It's all about 'Caring for all in the Community'.
But if you want to go down the route of 'Rich can have it, Poor can shove it', Hell, just you carry on hanging around in the Dark Ages.

 

[kal-el]

Just wondering how govt services equates to forced purchases from a private entity. Ie; private insurance companies by which its somehow designated as being a tax to qualify as legal under the constution.

Can't think of any government services that run in a similar pattern. Can you?

If I'm not mistaken, we were discussing the disaster known as Obama don't care. The government forces Christian organizations to pay for contraceptives. I think if it is against their belief system, I.e. abortion, they shouldn't be required to pay for it.

Nobody was talking about necessary federal services.

 

[oldbadger]

I have no problems with paying to build roads, foster community services like police and fire, etc. Necessary things. Nobody that I know of supports anarchy. obamacare rations care- that is how it's costs are controlled. In communist and socialist countries, they may have super cheap and/or free care, but they also have extremely long wait times and questionable doctors. There's a reason people around the world come to the US for healthcare, we don't have doctors like House attending them!

You don't know what you're talking about! Honest!
We don't live in a communist or socialist country, we live in a Democracy in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, but our NHS is fantastic. Our doctors are as good as yours. In some areas of medicine they exceed yours. Our waiting times don't extend far in urgent cases. My wife's life wasa saved twice in three months, once when she was rushed into Emergency with Sepsis, and then all over again when a young Medic noticed that her scans, bloods and tests showed up for Pheo. They operated to save her within three weeks, and now Guys hospital is researching her whole family for genetic Pheo and Ganglio traces...... we're better at this than you, anbd all for free.
You should support a NHS for the USA, you'd be so proud of such a service to your community.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Could it be that they wanted to make your country a better land for all?

I doubt it. Esp in light of the mentality that, "You have to pass it in order to see what's in it." That said, Im not exactly cheering for the Repubs side either on certain issues with some exception that they are the lesser of two evils.

 

[kal-el]

Ohhhh.... you know, it comes along with several other services which a civilised country offers to its communities, for everybody, at taxpayer's expense. Like Pavements, Roads, Police, Fire Brigades, Coastguard, Defence, Education..... etc. etc. Look, the list is fairly lengthy. It's all about 'Caring for all in the Community'.
But if you want to go down the route of 'Rich can have it, Poor can shove it', Hell, just you carry on hanging around in the Dark Ages.

Well, as I have stated prior, healthcare is no right. It is not enshrined in the Constitution, as a right. This socialist pozi scheme is Unconstitutional and deplorable.

 

[oldbadger]

Yea they're so amazing that everyone who is able, comes to the US for their healthcare.

Hyperbole at this best!
Everyone who is able? The rich live, the poor die?
What a dreadful HUMAN RIGHTS policy.

Good for your wife. Really. But nothing is absolutely free; in other words someone is footing the bill for your "free care."

Thanks for the first sentences. Appreciated.
Yeah...... like you're footing the bill for pavements or a police force.

And I take offense for you suggesting that the foreigner, obama, is my President. Normally when people say that it speaks of hyper-partisanship. But in this case, I truly believe that he is trying to dismantle America, so by denouncing him, I am putting my country first.

Well your countyfolk disagree, because he has been Presidenmt tfor two whole terms (soon).
He doesn't lie, incite burglary, screw his staff, steal, ....... pretty good. Or did you like one of the others better?

 

[metis]

The preamble of the Constitution is an introduction of the works in it's text. No court will interpret anything contained in the preamble as granting a right that's not specifically contained in the Bill of Rights.

But the Preamble establishes the precedent. Secondly, we pass laws regularly that are nowhere found n the BoR. Thirdly, the ACA does not in any way violate either the BoR nor the Constitution as a whole.

 

[metis]

Look, the era of" hope and change" is clearly over, and millions of people have buyer's remorse after voting for the snake oil salesman. In 2008 and 2012, soaring rhetoric and looking "cool" were just as good as actual Presidential qualifications.

And which politician or political party is doing better?

 

[metis]

If I'm not mistaken, we were discussing the disaster known as Obama don't care. The government forces Christian organizations to pay for contraceptives. I think if it is against their belief system, I.e. abortion, they shouldn't be required to pay for it.

Nobody was talking about necessary federal services.

The government does not pay for abortion under federal law.

 

[metis]

Well, as I have stated prior, healthcare is no right. It is not enshrined in the Constitution, as a right. This socialist pozi scheme is Unconstitutional and deplorable.

What I can't understand is how you supposedly reconcile this position with being a Christian? The ACA is helping millions of Americans, and my only regret is that it didn't go far enough to cover all Americans. Jesus taught that compassion and justice for others was terribly important, and yet I see none of that being reflected in your posts.