Riders
Well-Known Member
Pelosi holds vote Thursday to confirm they are having the impeachment inquiry.
Pelosi announces full House vote on impeachment inquiry
Pelosi announces full House vote on impeachment inquiry
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Pelosi holds vote Thursday
- Thread starter Riders
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Anybody have the tiniest bit of doubt the vote will pass?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'll tell you just how predictable the Democrats socialists are. It will never happen Thursday.
It will be postponed , rescheduled, whatever.
I predict the wingnut right will whine and have a meltdown about the vote.
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
Given that it is the right that has been having a fit because Pelosi has been REFUSING to have a vote, I believe that you have this the wrong way around. It won't be the Republicans sabotaging any vote on Thursday. I'll bet it won't happen, but it will be the Dems who sink it.
It is not to the dem's advantage to have this vote. It gives supoena power to the right, and a bunch of other legal rights that the Republicans have been unhappy about being denied.
Nope, this vote will be a good thing. Either way...if it passes, then Trump can actually defend himself against the star chamber the dems have set up here. If it doesn't, the whole thing goes away.
Either way, the Republicans win and the Democrats lose. So....there will be no vote on Thursday. That's the LAST thing that Pelosi and her crowd want. they will cosh it somehow.
AND they will attempt to blame the Republicans, AND people like you will swallow the Kool-aid.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Oh my, another Trumpette swimming in denial.
And your description is far from accurate. They have been using the Republican's rules for an investigation.
I will take that bet.
Unless the Republicans do something ridiculous to block the vote, the vote will happen on Thursday.
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
I don't gamble....BUT I predict, with great confidence, that the vote WILL NOT HAPPEN on Thursday, because the Democrats will postpone it or sink it somehow.
Further, I predict that even though they are the ones who will sabotage it, they will try to blame the Republicans.
.....................when there is absolutely no reason for the Republicans to mess with it. They are the ones who have been calling for such a vote, after all, and Pelosi who keeps claiming that no such vote is required.
(shrug) No. IF there is a vote on this, it will be in spite of everything Pelosi and crew can do to stop it. Such a vote will be a win for the Republicans....and the Dems KNOW this. They absolutely do not want it. They want to sneak all their ....stuff....in the back door in such a way that Trump and the Republicans can't even SEE it, much less defend against it. They are quite aware that an inquiry that allows the Republicans subpoena power and the other rights such a vote will give them will end up with Pelosi and crew looking like the witch hunters they are, and supremely stupid.
So if a vote is held on Thursday, I will be very pleasantly surprised, especially if it passes.
Riders
Well-Known Member
This is the quot from Pelosi
We are taking this step to eliminate any doubt as to whether the Trump Administration may withhold documents, prevent witness testimony, disregard duly authorized subpoenas, or continue obstructing the House of Representatives,” Pelosi said in a written statement. “N
She says the exact opposite that the vote will keep Republicans from disregarding subpoenas and may not withhold documents.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
One has to admire how the Democrats have so far done this the Republican way. They got background information using Republican rules of investigation. Now they are.moving to the next step and having the open investigation that they clamored for. And now Trump has no excuse for ordering people not to testify. And that could really hang his keister high. At least in the confidential meetings what was said was supposed to be kept secret. Not any more.
Be careful with what you wish for. You just might get it.
Somebody should have told that to Trump before he decided to run for President.
Actually I am almost certain someone did and he didn’t listen.
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
What she said is true. The Republicans won't be able to duck subpoenas, etc. if that vote is for the inquiry. What she neglected to mention is the point I'm making. NEITHER WILL SHE....and right now, she doesn't have to worry about subpoenas and document demands, because the Republicans are not allowed to issue any. AFTER Thursday, if the vote is for the inquiry, they will be.
And that will be very bad for Pelosi and crew.
So what Pelosi was trying is more than a bit of 'out of context' bovine effluvium.
As it sits NOW, Pelosi et. al are the only folks who can issue subpoenas, or demand anything. In fact, at the moment it's all about what the dems can do and the Republicans can't...like demand documents, cross examine witnesses or issue subpoenas. Without that vote, it's a very one-sided affair; very much the 'star chamber." I compared this to. As a result, if the Republicans are ducking them, I can't blame them even a little bit.
This is why I predict that there will be no vote on Thursday. It is NOT to Pelosi's advantage to have one. No, the Dems will kibosh it...and will blame the Republicans, and you...as you already have...will swallow the Kool-aid.
I am very much for such a vote, and let the games begin with the same rules for both sides. After the vote, true, both sides will have to abide by subpoenas and produce documents and witnesses to be cross examined by the other side. At the moment, without that vote, only Pelosi can issue those subpoenas and demands; the republicans have no recourse and cannot cross examine witnesses or have any input.
WITH the vote, Republicans can do what Pelosi is doing now. And Pelosi DOES NOT WANT THAT. the LAST thing she wants is a vote on Thursday. So she'll scuttle it somehow.
I hope she doesn't. or rather, I hope that whatever she tries doesn't work. A full and fair 'impeachment inquiry' will be very, very embarrassing. For her.
Though again, the full on partisans and 'never mind the facts, Trump is EEEEVILLL and must be gotten rid of by any method possible except assassination because THAT will make him a hero and we lose," will swallow anything Pelosi says.
The biggest question I have for Pelosi is....why did it take you so long? This should have been done WEEKS ago. The Republicans have certainly wanted you to do this. Is it that you think you have sufficiently poisoned the process that it won't hurt you now to play by the rules?
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Jose Fly
Fisker of men
I have to repeat.....all the Republican arguments and tactics about this impeachment are exactly the same things creationists do when they try and argue against evolutionary biology.
One of their most favorite tactics is to repeatedly jump from one argument to the next, with no thought or care at all as to what they said before. For example, remember when the news about the first whistleblower came out? One of the main Republican arguments was that they didn't have first-hand knowledge. But just today a NSC staffer, who has first-hand knowledge, is corroborating the whistleblower's account and concern. So are Republicans now accepting his accounts? Of course not! Now they're attacking him personally, accusing him of being a double-agent spy, a traitor, and a "never trumper".
This impeachment vote is yet another example. First it was "you have to have a vote", but now that one is forthcoming, the Republicans are suddenly coming up with all sorts of made-up requirements, such as that the committees must have equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans, and Trump's lawyers must be present during depositions and be able to cross-examine witnesses.
All these objections and such are just a smokescreen for what's really going on.....just like how creationists will never accept the results of any science that conflicts with their beliefs, Republicans will never accept any impeachment against a Republican president.
And just like creationists, Republicans don't give two craps about process; all they care about is ensuring that the outcome is what they want it to be.
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PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
It's pretty likely the House will be able to impeach through the vote. But this Senate trial? It's going to be huge just because it will take a two-thirds vote, and not a 50+% vote.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Background information was needed. You don't go into a full blown serious impeachment process without a fair amount of knowledge before hand. They did this background investigation. Using Republican rules.
Now the Republicans appear to be moving the goal posts since it is obvious that the Democrats will vote for this.
What I am interested in seeing is how many Republicans will vote for justice.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Republicans whining about a vote now? After they've been whining for weeks why there was no vote? (A vote was never required)
The vote will pass and the vote will be held. The whole republican distraction is going to come back and bite them on Thursday. House members will go on record being responsible for the future outcome of the impeachment investigation.
Once the impeachment process is over and Trump is impeached, the Senate majority will be decided by how one votes for removal.
If the evidence is overwhelming, a NO vote by republicans for removal will cost them the Senate majority.
Why is establishment Moscow Mitch still running the republican senate?
The vote will pass and the vote will be held. The whole republican distraction is going to come back and bite them on Thursday. House members will go on record being responsible for the future outcome of the impeachment investigation.
Once the impeachment process is over and Trump is impeached, the Senate majority will be decided by how one votes for removal.
If the evidence is overwhelming, a NO vote by republicans for removal will cost them the Senate majority.
Why is establishment Moscow Mitch still running the republican senate?
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I am sorry to say that you don’t seem to understand what this vote is, or what the result of the vote will be. I am not going to try to explain this to you now, but I am sure that in the next couple days you will figure out your error.
But I say again with very near certainty, the vote will happen on Thursday just as Pelosi said it will. And it will pass.
And here is a hint. It will be the vote Pelosi has called for. Not whatever you are thinking.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And this is why this demand of the Republicans may backfire. Until now the investigation has been private. The Republicans have forced it to go public. The public investigation was what sunk Nixon. It turned the voters against him. And the election where he beat McGovern was a landslide in both popular and electoral votes. The Democrats might be wise to note the similarities when people talk of removing an elected President.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
I'll be curious to see if during the Senate trial, Republican Senators publicly espouse the bizarre conspiracy theories and alternate reality that's been circulating on right-wing media. Are they actually going to argue, in full view of the public, that our intelligence agencies cannot be trusted and are composed of traitors, and instead we should all be paying heed to information (propaganda) from the Russian government?
If they do that, I wonder how that'll go over?
If they do that, I wonder how that'll go over?