Pastor who stood up to police in viral video speaks out

[stvdv]

Pastor who stood up to police in viral video speaks out

This pastor made a few good points IMO. I had the same thoughts in the past year. This pastor grew up in Poland, with Russian police controlling them, which was no fun, and he felt again something similar, but now in the West. He thinks something is happening against Christianity. I won't be surprised if there is. And not only Christianity, Islam too. It goes slow, but steady, in my observation. I don't like seeing this kind of power games being played, reminds me of Chinese or Russian scenarios.

Atheism seems to do quite well now, and no surprise. Science seems to be the 'religion' of Atheism nowadays, and science is well accepted. I won't be surprised that within a few decades Atheism might grow a lot.

I do believe in Dharma and the Law of Karma, so whatever happens is right (not always easy to digest though), as seen from the bigger picture, but from my human POV, I am not always too happy to see certain things

I wonder if other Christians sense there is something going on "against Christianity" or "Islam" or other faiths

 

[Debater Slayer]

A pastor appears on Fox News to promulgate a conservative Christian persecution complex even though conservative Christian theocrats are the main political and religious group endeavoring to restrict others' rights in a secular state like the U.S.? He should win some sort of prize for originality, for sure.

The fact that Fox is the venue for this is doubly ironic given its own track record of hateful and slanderous rhetoric against Muslims and atheists.

 

[PureX]

I am not religious, but even I worry about this growing meme of "scientism". It's a collaboration of the worst interpretations of both science and atheism.

 

[Kenny]

I agree... and after blaming the religious people, in the name of "restricting rights", they will begin do blame blame game against conservatism using hateful and slanderous rhetoric and calling the US a secular country,

 

[Debater Slayer]

I agree... and after blaming the religious people, in the name of "restricting rights", they will begin do blame blame game against conservatism using hateful and slanderous rhetoric and calling the US a secular country,

Slander is untrue by default. It isn't slanderous to point out that a subset of conservative Christians have been trying to restrict others' rights and freedoms, because there are multiple examples of such. Just to name a few:

- Attempts to ban same-sex marriage.

- Attempts to discriminate against transgendered people.

- Attempts to ban or limit the teaching of evolution.

- Attempts to ban elective abortion at all stages of pregnancy.

No considerably vocal group in the U.S. is as preoccupied with pursuit of the above as conservative Christians are, so your claim of "slander" seems to be based either on tacit approval of the efforts listed above or brushing aside thereof.

Also, calling the U.S. a secular state is accurate; it's right there in the First Amendment. Not sure why this is in contention at all, but it's interesting because your disputing it is an example of how some conservatives deny or try to undermine state secularism despite what the Constitution states.

 

[1213]

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I wonder if other Christians sense there is something going on "against Christianity"...

I think there has been something going on against Christianity, or more specifically against disciples of Jesus about 2000 years. Now it seems world leaders are totalitarian fascists, tyrants that are generally going against freedom of all people, not just Christians. And I think that is really sad.

But, nice that the pastor had courage to speak and not easily surrender to tyranny.

 

[SomeRandom]

Pastor who stood up to police in viral video speaks out

This pastor made a few good points IMO. I had the same thoughts in the past year. This pastor grew up in Poland, with Russian police controlling them, which was no fun, and he felt again something similar, but now in the West. He thinks something is happening against Christianity. I won't be surprised if there is. And not only Christianity, Islam too. It goes slow, but steady, in my observation. I don't like seeing this kind of power games being played, reminds me of Chinese or Russian scenarios.

Atheism seems to do quite well now, and no surprise. Science seems to be the 'religion' of Atheism nowadays, and science is well accepted. I won't be surprised that within a few decades Atheism might grow a lot.

I do believe in Dharma and the Law of Karma, so whatever happens is right (not always easy to digest though), as seen from the bigger picture, but from my human POV, I am not always too happy to see certain things

I wonder if other Christians sense there is something going on "against Christianity" or "Islam" or other faiths

I mean no offence, but do you have a better source than Fox News?
I’m not American and even I know how slanted they are.

(To be fair that’s true of many American outlets for both sides of the political aisle. I’m just saying.)

 

[stvdv]

I mean no offence, but do you have a better source than Fox News?
I’m not American and even I know how slanted they are.

(To be fair that’s true of many American outlets for both sides of the political aisle. I’m just saying.)

I did observe quite some bias from the interviewer, but I think in this case there was little to mess up. The Pastor just told his story, gave his opinion, as seen from his background with the Russian regime in Poland. In the end I have to make up my own conclusion anyway; just discard the bias

Now you mentioned, I tried to google some other sources, but most went back to Fox News

I did see one other, but 1 hour...too long (I prefer nice and short even if its Fox News),

And this one popped up also:
Pastor Who Drove Police Away From Passover Service Speaks Out On Communist-Like Intrusion

And another one with a very strong title:
Pastor who kicked out COVID-enforcing 'Nazi' cops from his church speaks out about viral confrontation: 'Nothing is holy for those people'

 

[SomeRandom]

I did observe quite some bias from the interviewer, but I think in this case there was little to mess up. The Pastor just told his story, gave his opinion, as seen from his background with the Russian regime in Poland. In the end I have to make up my own conclusion anyway; just discard the bias

Now you mentioned, I tried to google some other sources, but most went back to Fox News

I did see one other, but 1 hour...too long (I prefer nice and short even if its Fox News),

And this one popped up also:
Pastor Who Drove Police Away From Passover Service Speaks Out On Communist-Like Intrusion

And another one with a very strong title:
Pastor who kicked out COVID-enforcing 'Nazi' cops from his church speaks out about viral confrontation: 'Nothing is holy for those people'

Thank you for your due diligence

 

[stvdv]

I think there has been something going on against Christianity, or more specifically against disciples of Jesus about 2000 years. Now it seems world leaders are totalitarian fascists, tyrants that are generally going against freedom of all people, not just Christians. And I think that is really sad.

But, nice that the pastor had courage to speak and not easily surrender to tyranny.

I agree, I see the same thing happening, and its implemented at top speed. Within a decade I expect the world to be totally different; in a bad way

 

[stvdv]

Thank you for your due diligence

You're welcome.

And thanks for the reminder to better double check things nowadays with all the fake news

 

[Kooky]

Has there ever been a time period in the United States during which Christians did not feel persecuted or imperiled?

I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Regiomontanus]

I did not like to see a bunch of cops trying to bust up a church service. But it happened in Canada and I am not sure what the laws are there. In the US that would outrageous (unless they are responding/called to an emergency there).

 

[Regiomontanus]

Has there ever been a time period in the United States during which Christians did not feel persecuted or imperiled?

I'm genuinely curious.

Probably not until the early 1960s or so, I think (for example, in '63 there was the USSC ruling on prayer in public school).

 

[stvdv]

A pastor appears on Fox News to promulgate a conservative Christian persecution complex even though conservative Christian theocrats are the main political and religious group endeavoring to restrict others' rights in a secular state like the U.S.? He should win some sort of prize for originality, for sure.

Good point. The Law of Karma seems to work miraculously here

This obviously is a lesson some Christians still have not learned

Do not do unto others what you don't want to be done to you

 

[Brian2]

Slander is untrue by default. It isn't slanderous to point out that a subset of conservative Christians have been trying to restrict others' rights and freedoms, because there are multiple examples of such. Just to name a few:

- Attempts to ban same-sex marriage.

- Attempts to discriminate against transgendered people.

- Attempts to ban or limit the teaching of evolution.

- Attempts to ban elective abortion at all stages of pregnancy.

I did not see it so much as attempts to ban same-sex marriage, but as attempts to keep the bad on same sex marriage. There were other ways to do it than to change the definition of marriage.
I do not see it so much as attempts to discriminate against transgender people, but attempts to protects our children and parental rights from the encroachment of radical philosophies about sexuality.
It would not be banning elective abortion at all stages of pregnancy, it would be keeping the ban in place against radical philosophies of those who want to kill people for reasons that they might feel justified with.
Evolution I agree with but can see the push back as also attempts to hold back the invasion of what is seen as anti Bible rhetoric disguised as science.

 

[Kenny]

Slander is untrue by default. It isn't slanderous to point out that a subset of conservative Christians have been trying to restrict others' rights and freedoms, because there are multiple examples of such. Just to name a few:

- Attempts to ban same-sex marriage.

- Attempts to discriminate against transgendered people.

- Attempts to ban or limit the teaching of evolution.

- Attempts to ban elective abortion at all stages of pregnancy.

No considerably vocal group in the U.S. is as preoccupied with pursuit of the above as conservative Christians are, so your claim of "slander" seems to be based either on tacit approval of the efforts listed above or brushing aside thereof.

Also, calling the U.S. a secular state is accurate; it's right there in the First Amendment. Not sure why this is in contention at all, but it's interesting because your disputing it is an example of how some conservatives deny or try to undermine state secularism despite what the Constitution states.

EVERY law is an attempt to restrict SOMETHING.

- Attempts to stop gun ownership
- Attempts to limit church attendance vs casino attendance
- Attempts to limit Creationism as a possibility
- Attempts to not let parents rear their own children


So?

 

[stvdv]

A pastor appears on Fox News to promulgate a conservative Christian persecution complex even though conservative Christian theocrats are the main political and religious group endeavoring to restrict others' rights in a secular state like the U.S.? He should win some sort of prize for originality, for sure.

The fact that Fox is the venue for this is doubly ironic given its own track record of hateful and slanderous rhetoric against Muslims and atheists.

True, and that does make it a bit more tricky to see unbiased to this issue.

This is a nice, interesting example that justice seems not always just, but as seen in the bigger picture is just after all. Old injustice needs to be paid first, and what you sow, that you reap is a good saying, esp. Christians should be aware of

 

[stvdv]

I am not religious, but even I worry about this growing meme of "scientism". It's a collaboration of the worst interpretations of both science and atheism.

Spot on, I worry about that too. And it's more to worry, because science is known for 'cold' hard facts. If 'cold' rules the world, love might vanish for some time, to educate science again

 

[stvdv]

EVERY law is an attempt to restrict SOMETHING.

True. Usually that's what Laws do.

- Attempts to stop gun ownership
- Attempts to limit church attendance vs casino attendance
- Attempts to limit Creationism as a possibility
- Attempts to not let parents rear their own children

Do you like to limit others? Or be limited (faith/feeling wise)?

So?

IF not
THEN @Debater Slayer made some good points, I would say

Especially remembering the Christian 'Golden Rule', right?