(Opinion) Another conservative faces public shunning. Liberals grow bolder with their intolerance.

[Stevicus]

The problem I have with the article (and the topic) is that we are not told what "“the language they were using [that] was unwelcome in our space” actually was. Were they espousing conservative ideas like smaller government, or respect for traditions and not tearing down statues? Or were they discussing things like who should be barred from getting married, and who ought to be strung up as "woke?" Tell me something about that, and I'd be better able to answer.

In my view, any speech which does not threaten harm or hate to others ought to be tolerated by anyone. I'm basically liberal in my politics, but would never think to try to silence someone expressing a conservative economic viewpoint. However, I might think differently about discussing conservative "social values" in a public space that very likely has room for people who are being referred to. Gays and transexuals do eat in restaurants, after all.

I think that's the point I would make, too. There's genuine, overt hate speech which is obvious and plain to anyone who can see it, but then there's other situations where it might not be so obvious or overt, yet some people might still react to it and treat it as the same.

 

[sun rise]

Conservatives are the one group that it's ok to hate.

Hardly. In some areas, it's the liberals who are OK to hate (and to refuse service).

I'm against it no matter which group is involved or what they're purchasing (cakes for LGBTQ events or meals at restaurants).

 

[Wildswanderer]

It seems to me that there's considerable hatred in some regions toward pro-choice people, LGBT rights activists, socialists, and communists, among others. It's far from just one group that is okay to hate.

But that's not socially acceptable hatred. Hating conservatives is. And you get extra points if they are white men.

 

[Heyo]

On the other hand, kicking someone out solely based on politics even if they're not loud is a different story. I feel unsafe and avoid even quiet conversation about certain topics in public because the reception of my views where I live could compromise my physical safety.

Your sympathy for that guy is seriously misplaced. You are not in the same situation. He isn't threatened in any way, nor is his ability to speak his mind - he does it on Fox & Friends. The restaurant owner isn't discriminating against a minority, he is kicking up.
Imagine, if you will, you being a host at an anti theist TV show and you get kicked out of a restaurant by a believer - after you finished your meal and discussed anti theism loudly.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Except be trans. Or a person wanting to take a course in African American studies. Or want reproductive rights. Or advocate for voting rights. Or drive an electric vehicle. Or understand climate change is real and want green energy. Or accept that vaccines work. Or be a liberal.


Hmmm, could there be a reason?

None of the first paragraph is acceptable hatred ... but if it's for conservatives, it's cool and apparently you are ok with that.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Are Conservatives discriminable?

In this instance yes, for a couple of reasons. Firstly being a Conservative is something that can be changed. Secondly eating at that restaurant isn't a necessity, it's a luxury.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

None of the first paragraph is acceptable hatred ... but if it's for conservatives, it's cool and apparently you are ok with that.

Imagine... people hate the political party that actively makes their lives more difficult and directly threaten their ability to live.

 

[Estro Felino]

In this instance yes, for a couple of reasons. Firstly being a Conservative is something that can be changed. Secondly eating at that restaurant isn't a necessity, it's a luxury.

Each of us feels antipathy for a particular group.
There are those who despise Freemasons. And it is something that can be changed, as well.

 

[Estro Felino]

Your sympathy for that guy is seriously misplaced. You are not in the same situation. He isn't threatened in any way, nor is his ability to speak his mind - he does it on Fox & Friends. The restaurant owner isn't discriminating against a minority, he is kicking up.
Imagine, if you will, you being a host at an anti theist TV show and you get kicked out of a restaurant by a believer - after you finished your meal and discussed anti theism loudly.

In Germany such things aren't allowed, btw.

 

[Aštra’el]

The hypocrisy is pathetic.

 

[Heyo]

In Germany such things aren't allowed, btw.

"such things" as discussing anti theism loudly?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Each of us feels antipathy for a particular group.
There are those who despise Freemasons. And it is something that can be changed, as well.

It really depends on the situation. Like I said earlier, the restaurant owner reportedly let this conservative talking-head actually finish his mean. He wasn't kicked out, he was told he's not welcome back. Big difference. As well, if he was being denied from somewhere like a grocery store and he truly was doing nothing disruptive to the public, that's an entirely different matter and he's being denied a basic necessity to live.

I don't lament him being denied a luxury and a privilege. I would have an issue with him being denied actual rights, not just screaming "Constitution!" like it's a ward against evil.

 

[Estro Felino]

"such things" as discussing anti theism loudly?

In the EU the laws protecting consumers don't allow discriminations.
There must be regulations about that, besides the directives.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

The hypocrisy is pathetic.

As someone who is outspokenly in support of actual fascism, this is comedic gold. Welcome to a shadow of the world you're wanting; it's not fun anymore, is it?

 

[Heyo]

In the EU the laws protecting consumers don't allow discriminations.
There must be regulations about that, besides the directives.

A restaurant is still private property and the owner can refuse to service you for every benign reason. "No shoes, no shirt, no service" is as legal here as it is in the US. (Luckily for me, very few enforce it.)

 

[Estro Felino]

A restaurant is still private property and the owner can refuse to service you for every benign reason. "No shoes, no shirt, no service" is as legal here as it is in the US. (Luckily for me, very few enforce it.)

Dressing properly is a benign reason.
Being discriminated against because of political ideas, isn't.
Art 3 Grundgesetz.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Imagine... people hate the political party that actively makes their lives more difficult and directly threaten their ability to live.

In their opinion perhaps. You realize conservatives think the same about liberals?

 

[Estro Felino]

It really depends on the situation. Like I said earlier, the restaurant owner reportedly let this conservative talking-head actually finish his mean. He wasn't kicked out, he was told he's not welcome back. Big difference. As well, if he was being denied from somewhere like a grocery store and he truly was doing nothing disruptive to the public, that's an entirely different matter and he's being denied a basic necessity to live.

I don't lament him being denied a luxury and a privilege. I would have an issue with him being denied actual rights, not just screaming "Constitution!" like it's a ward against evil.

I do understand the owner's plight.
The problem is that people should not care about what others think.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Your sympathy for that guy is seriously misplaced. You are not in the same situation. He isn't threatened in any way, nor is his ability to speak his mind - he does it on Fox & Friends. The restaurant owner isn't discriminating against a minority, he is kicking up.
Imagine, if you will, you being a host at an anti theist TV show and you get kicked out of a restaurant by a believer - after you finished your meal and discussed anti theism loudly.

I won't defend that guy because I haven't read the details of the situation from any statements besides his and the restaurant's. As I said, if he was loudly expressing disruptive views, I could see a case for kicking him out.

My main point is about the idea of denying someone service based on politics. Where is the line drawn, and who gets to draw it?

 

[Debater Slayer]

But that's not socially acceptable hatred. Hating conservatives is. And you get extra points if they are white men.

Socially acceptable in which setting, and with whom? I have friends in the US who have stopped attending church with their families because they got tired of hearing hatemongering sermons about Muslims, LGBT people, and non-Christians. It sounds like that kind of hatred is quite socially acceptable in those specific churches.