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Officer Barney Fife mistakes gun for a tazer in shooting a black man. Biden calls for peace.

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Twilight Hue, Apr 12, 2021.

  1. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    First, kudos for using "tazer", which is the word for such a device.
    "Taser" is a brand name.

    If it was indeed tazer vs gun confusion, this points to....
    1) Poor training
    2) Bad tazer design.
    Consider....
    [​IMG]

    When a cop who carries both experiences a high stress situation,
    & if the tazer looks, feels, & operates much like a handgun, then
    confusion is made reasonably possible. If the cop does get confused,
    this also suggests that training is inadequate.
    I'd favor redesigning the tazer so that it functions reasonably like
    the handgun, but has features to alert the user to a big difference,
    eg, make the tazer entirely a bright color.
     
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    The cynic in me says that he made up the switch up as an excuse after the fact.
    I realise that that’s a bit judgemental but a fully trained officer (presumably) “accidentally” uses a gun when thinking it’s a taser? A tiny bit suspicious at the very least. Maybe he was just confused and in a high stress situation. Even then, one would assume that training would take this into account anyway????

    Either way, this is not good.
     
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    Eh... When one is caught in the heat of the moment, I can see mistakes being made. Adrenaline is a hell of a thing, and people act first and think later in those situations.

    That said, I'd be curious to see what the investigation reveals. If underhandedness is at play, throw the book at em.
     
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    Never knew tazers looked like that. On one hand, the point-and-shoot design is comfortable for use, but on the other hand, they may be too easily mixed up with one's gun, as in this unfortunate case.
     
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  6. Revoltingest

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    True dat. Ergonomics was one consideration when I
    was a design engineer. It can be difficult to get right.
    Experience...especially bad experience is most
    illuminating & inspiring.
     
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  7. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    It's no doubt poor training.
     
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    Agreed. Even toy guns are/are supposed to be manufactured with bright orange on the end to help avoid confusion and making them easier to identify. .
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    In the Military we did combat drills over and over and over till we were doing it automatically or automatic reflex.

    It seems repetitive drilling isn't part of police training
     
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    I favor making toy guns entirely fluorescent colors.
     
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    That's an excellent point... Or, it is a part of their training. o_O
     
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    And it absolutely needs to be, "train how you fight" was our mantra when I served.
     
  13. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    It does seem they are trying to make excuses after the fact. Blame it as a rookie mistake rather than take full responsibility and accountability.

    I guess that is for a court to decide.
     
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    I dunno. I was a soldier not a police officer.

    But I have police in my family and friends circle and it seems they just periodically qualify but don't drill aside from special units.
     
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    Making the tazer a different colour isn't gonna get the job done.
    There needs to be a distinct difference in the feel when grabbing it.
     
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    I agree. But I haven't yet come up with a design that
    would function reliably. Having 2 different sets of handling
    characteristics poses a problem too.
    I've been considering STTNG phasers design, which would
    be intuitive enuf to avoid mishandling....
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    We did it so much we metaphorically puked it in our sleep.

    But when you see stuff like this, then you know why repetitive drilling is employed as a part of training. Doing without thinking in the proper way or second nature.
     
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    That would certainly be sensible.
     
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    My thought is that the tazer should have a more "squishy" handle.
    Tazers have little to no recoil, thus the handle can be more coushiny feeling.

    The reason for the coushiny feeling is that when one is in an adrenalin filled situation you will notice as soon as your hand is on it whether you have the tazer or firearm.
    At least, that is the "theory"...
     
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  20. Revoltingest

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    It could feel like a breast implant, eh.
    This might encourage preference to the more deadly handgun.
     
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