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At the time of Jesus, the Pharisaic jews did believe in a resurrection, whereas the Sadducees did not.I wonder what a Jew (not a Jew for Jesus) thinks about a few things, the first is about a resurrection. If you're a Jew, although I know the Sabbath and Passover is coming up, do you believe in a resurrection?
Thanks. I'll give that consideration. Offhand, in order to appreciate Isaiah 65, unless one believes in a resurrection, it's hard to envision. Unless we go to transmigrating souls, which I do not think the Bible bears out. When one dies, the entire being dies. Now that I'm remembering that, Job certainly had something to say about that. Job cried out touchingly, Job 14:14 - "At the time of Jesus, the Pharisaic jews did believe in a resurrection, whereas the Sadducees did not.
I can't quite remember exactly where, but a considerable amount of prophetical literature in the Old Testament alludes to eternity, I do believe.
The end times myth and messianic intervention from Persia was syncretically adopted into Jewish theology.I wonder what a Jew (not a Jew for Jesus) thinks about a few things, the first is about a resurrection. If you're a Jew, although I know the Sabbath and Passover is coming up, do you believe in a resurrection?
Yes, when one dies, the entire being dies, but God is powerful enough to raise one to life, even into a new body. There were enough resurrections in the OT to attest to that, even Samuel reappeared for a moment.Thanks. I'll give that consideration. Offhand, in order to appreciate Isaiah 65, unless one believes in a resurrection, it's hard to envision. Unless we go to transmigrating souls, which I do not think the Bible bears out. When one dies, the entire being dies. Now that I'm remembering that, Job certainly had something to say about that. Job cried out touchingly, Job 14:14 - "
"If a man dies will he come to life?
I would wait all the time I had to serve
till my relief came;"
Beautiful, beautiful sentiment realizing Job's faith in God, his Maker.
I haven't read all of Maimonides work but I know he believed in a future resurrection. Certainly when Jesus was on the earth he brought his friend Lazarus back to life, not taking his soul from heaven and putting it back into his body, but bringing the person Lazarus back to life.Yes, when one dies, the entire being dies, but God is powerful enough to raise one to life, even into a new body. There were enough resurrections in the OT to attest to that, even Samuel reappeared for a moment.
As it is written '...I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...' God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Not that anyone who died is alive right now, but on Judgement Day we will all reappear. I believe that many pre-New Testament Jews must have had this notion.
Yes, that is my understanding also - Biblical resurrections were not an abrupted stay in heaven in order to return to earth, but a revivification from a state of dormancy.I haven't read all of Maimonides work but I know he believed in a future resurrection. Certainly when Jesus was on the earth he brought his friend Lazarus back to life, not taking his soul from heaven and putting it back into his body, but bringing the person Lazarus back to life.
I think we basically agree on this. I also want to say that it seems apparent to me that when God said Moses, Abraham were alive to Him, it's because He knew and loved them so well they were one step away from being resurrected when the time comes and He looked forward seeing them again. Take care.Yes, that is my understanding also - Biblical resurrections were not an abrupted stay in heaven in order to return to earth, but a revivification from a state of dormancy.
Good point, btw. Around where I live there are very religious Jews who are followers of M. Schneerson. Have you ever heard of him? He died but many were hoping he would be brought back to life on the earth. So far he has not been.At the time of Jesus, the Pharisaic jews did believe in a resurrection, whereas the Sadducees did not.
I can't quite remember exactly where, but a considerable amount of prophetical literature in the Old Testament alludes to eternity, I do believe.
Likewise, agreed!I think we basically agree on this. I also want to say that it seems apparent to me that when God said Moses, Abraham were alive to Him, it's because He knew and loved them so well they were one step away from being resurrected when the time comes and He looked forward seeing them again. Take care.
No, I've never heard of him or that movement. I just did a very brief google search on him, but nothing messianic appeared within the first paragraphs so I didn't read any further - the Jews can be a funny people at times.Good point, btw. Around where I live there are very religious Jews who are followers of M. Schneerson. Have you ever heard of him? He died but many were hoping he would be brought back to life on the earth. So far he has not been.
Yes, there is a big picture of him on a billboard around where I live, his followers were waiting for quite a while by his burial place in New York but to this date he has not arisen from the grave. The Messiah in Brooklyn | Adventist ReviewNo, I've never heard of him or that movement. I just did a very brief google search on him, but nothing messianic appeared within the first paragraphs so I didn't read any further - the Jews can be a funny people at times.
Thanks!
Well, I guess all religions and denominations have their fringe doctrines and groups. Some of the Christian forums that I have been on enlightened me quite a bit on this fact - it takes all kinds.Yes, there is a big picture of him on a billboard around where I live, his followers were waiting for quite a while by his burial place in New York but to this date he has not arisen from the grave. The Messiah in Brooklyn | Adventist Review
Right. I lived in certain sections of New York City where orthodox Jews lived and many of them had reverence for this rabbi. There were literally billboards promoting his existence you could see from the highway. So it depends in a way where you lived. There's more about that regarding his gravesite, but the real question is: what qualifies to be a "messiah"? The biblical account of Jesus and what happened before with the Jews and after his appearance makes so much sense to me that it's hard to deny. But that's me and it's obvious not everyone here sees it that way. thanks for your comments also.Well, I guess all religions and denominations have their fringe doctrines and groups. Some of the Christian forums that I have been on enlightened me quite a bit on this fact - it takes all kinds.
Thank you for the article - I'm surprised that I have never heard of the guy or the movement before, especially considering how somewhat prevalent that it was, at least in the Jewish community around the world.
I suppose one would have to accept the prophets and that Elijah raised a boy from the dead. 1 Kings 17:21-22I wonder what a Jew (not a Jew for Jesus) thinks about a few things, the first is about a resurrection. If you're a Jew, although I know the Sabbath and Passover is coming up, do you believe in a resurrection?
Yes, Jesus does qualify, but I can appreciate the learning curve required - I don't think that all the Messianic prophecies in the old Testament are that clear. Even the Ethiopian eunuch had to ask Philip who Isaiah was talking in the verse that he was reading. But, on the other hand, Jesus was quite indignant with the two on the road to Emmaus (Cleopas and his friend), that they were not aware of all the scriptures that referred to him.Right. I lived in certain sections of New York City where orthodox Jews lived and many of them had reverence for this rabbi. There were literally billboards promoting his existence you could see from the highway. So it depends in a way where you lived. There's more about that regarding his gravesite, but the real question is: what qualifies to be a "messiah"? The biblical account of Jesus and what happened before with the Jews and after his appearance makes so much sense to me that it's hard to deny. But that's me and it's obvious not everyone here sees it that way. thanks for your comments also.
And it's true that correct understanding can be narrowed or clarified as time goes on. As Proverbs 4:18 puts it, the light can get brighter.Yes, Jesus does qualify, but I can appreciate the learning curve required - I don't think that all the Messianic prophecies in the old Testament are that clear. Even the Ethiopian eunuch had to ask Philip who Isaiah was talking in the verse that he was reading. But, on the other hand, Jesus was quite indignant with the two on the road to Emmaus (Cleopas and his friend), that they were not aware of all the scriptures that referred to him.
For me, Jesus is the Christ more so because of the signs and the principle (God's offer of redemption), than my understanding through the Hebrew Scriptures. But, I*'ve never been that well versed in prophetical verses.
I would think so. Thus it seems clear to me that a prophet would perform these things while he was alive on the earth.I suppose one would have to accept the prophets and that Elijah raised a boy from the dead. 1 Kings 17:21-22
Yes. In order for me to understand scriptures, it's kind of like being the Ethiopian eunuch, who asked how could he understand them unless someone explained them to him? I decided to study with those I trusted and made sense (to me).Yes, Jesus does qualify, but I can appreciate the learning curve required - I don't think that all the Messianic prophecies in the old Testament are that clear. Even the Ethiopian eunuch had to ask Philip who Isaiah was talking in the verse that he was reading. But, on the other hand, Jesus was quite indignant with the two on the road to Emmaus (Cleopas and his friend), that they were not aware of all the scriptures that referred to him.
For me, Jesus is the Christ more so because of the signs and the principle (God's offer of redemption), than my understanding through the Hebrew Scriptures. But, I*'ve never been that well versed in prophetical verses.
Yes, I've noticed that also, that other people's views have elucidated other options of interpretation on particular passages - no man is an island.Yes. In order for me to understand scriptures, it's kind of like being the Ethiopian eunuch, who asked how could he understand them unless someone explained them to him? I decided to study with those I trusted and made sense (to me).