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Not even one border crisis meeting on Harris schedule. Not Today! Baw hahahaha!

Valjean

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Morality and the Law were the same and Jesus also said if you break the law in your heart, you were guilty of breaking the law. So how is your spiritual and moral life? Have you stolen, lied, had any sexual immorality, taken Gods name in vain, been envious, coveted anything, hated someone? The penalty for sin is eternal separation from God in hell. Jesus said He was the Way, Truth and the Life. That’s why He came to give His life and rose from the dead so our sins could be forgiven, we could be born again and live for God. That was Jesus’s mission. So yeah we feed the poor and generous, we help people in other countries as well and teach them skills so they don’t have to depend on other people but end up prosperous and able to help other people as well.
Yes, I'm quite familiar with Christian mythology, and American historical mythology, too.

America has a long history of imperialist exploitation, invasion, nation-building, overthrowing governments, installing dictators, &c. It's been particularly hard on democracies, and overthrows them by any means necessary to install right-wing dictators who will play ball with American economic interests.

America does what benefits America. When America "helps people," there's a political motive.
 

Valjean

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Premium Member
Are you for mandatory mask, lockdowns, mandatory vaccination, women’s rights as in the right to kill your baby in the womb? The left isn’t generous or righteous. Generous with other people money and immoral.
Masks, lockdowns and vaccines are motivated by interest in the the general welfare. Opposition is motivated by selfish interests, in opposition to the general welfare.

Noöne, as far as I know, advocates killing babies. Babies are people, after all.
A fœtus, on the other hand, does not possess the qualities that would make it a person or entitle it to moral consideration.

Admit it, EE. All the social progress we enjoy today was originally initiated by the Left and opposed by the Right.
 

Valjean

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Premium Member
I see you’re committed to the false narrative of the liberal media and Democrats. Biden isn’t a friend of Jesus and neither are Peliso, Schumer or the rest.
The mainstream media are hardly liberal, and nor are the Democrats; maybe the Greens or the Socialists are. Today's "radical, left-wing Democrats" are far to the right of the Republicans of my childhood.

From 1956 Republican election platform:
1. Provide federal assistance to low-income communities.
2. Protect Social Security.
3. Provide asylum for refugees.
4. Extend minimum wage.
5. Improve unemployment benefit system to cover more people.
6. Strengthen labor laws so workers can easily join a union.
7. Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of sex.

These were the conservative Republican values during America's social, moral, and industrial heyday. If you want to Make America Great Again, maybe you should consider them.

Today's conservative values almost exactly mirror those of Italy in the '20s.
"Those who forget history....."
 
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The mainstream media are hardly liberal, and nor are the Democrats; maybe the Greens or the Socialists are. Today's "radical, left-wing Democrats" are far to the right of the Republicans of my childhood.

From 1956 Republican election platform:
1. Provide federal assistance to low-income communities.
2. Protect Social Security.
3. Provide asylum for refugees.
4. Extend minimum wage.
5. Improve unemployment benefit system to cover more people.
6. Strengthen labor laws so workers can easily join a union.
7. Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of sex.

These were the conservative Republican values during America's social, moral, and industrial heyday. If you want to Make America Great Again, maybe you should consider them.

Today's conservative values almost exactly mirror those of Italy in the '20s.
"Those who forget history....."
I’m seeing how you’ve bought into the “safety and concern” because that’s all a smoke screen the left uses to control and deceive people. Mandatory masks and lockdowns were used to threaten people into submission. This was a left idea. Give people the information and let them do what’s best for themselves, voluntary. But the left threatened and fined people. This is common for the left if you disagree. When a woman is pregnant with child God looks at that as a human being another difference between left vs right, the left takes opportunity to take advantage of women calling it “right to choose” actually to murder your child. Left is anti God, immoral and evil. Really, you’re pushing gender change in schools without telling parents? Sickening
Obviously not familiar with Jesus Christ because if you were you wouldn’t be saying mythology.
Now we are going for mandatory vaccines that aren’t even effective and are harming people, we already had medication for the flu that worked. Now gonna need some card to travel or something? This is the freedom and progress of the left? Lol
No buying food or working without your mark
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The article is deliberately deceptive in that it fails to point out that the social positions of the two parties ave switched.
Absolutely correct.

During Lincoln's time, it was the Republican Party that was the most liberal and the Democratic Party was more conservative. That all got switched around when FDR initiated the New Deal programs, many of them actually proposed by Eugene Debs, the head of the Socialist Party.

I do believe that if Lincoln were around today he'd be aghast as to what his party has become, including the issue of race relations.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The vaccines aren't effective? :rolleyes:

It's a shame that some people use their "religion" as a set of blinders to reality. If my denomination did that, I'd be outta there in a heartbeat, which I actually did do some 50 years ago when I left my fundamentalist Protestant church.
 
The mainstream media are hardly liberal, and nor are the Democrats; maybe the Greens or the Socialists are. Today's "radical, left-wing Democrats" are far to the right of the Republicans of my childhood.

From 1956 Republican election platform:
1. Provide federal assistance to low-income communities.
2. Protect Social Security.
3. Provide asylum for refugees.
4. Extend minimum wage.
5. Improve unemployment benefit system to cover more people.
6. Strengthen labor laws so workers can easily join a union.
7. Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of sex.

These were the conservative Republican values during America's social, moral, and industrial heyday. If you want to Make America Great Again, maybe you should consider them.

Today's conservative values almost exactly mirror those of Italy in the '20s.
"Those who forget history....."[/QUOTP
The vaccines aren't effective? :rolleyes:

It's a shame that some people use their "religion" as a set of blinders to reality. If my denomination did that, I'd be outta there in a heartbeat, which I actually did do some 50 years ago when I left my fundamentalist Protestant church.
FACT: Individuals who get the COVID-19 vaccination still need to practice infection prevention precautions. Keep your mask on, and continue staying at least 6 feet from people outside your household, until further notice. Vaccines do not stop the coronavirus from entering your body; they only prevent you from developing moderate to severe COVID-19. It’s not yet clear if people vaccinated for COVID-19 can still carry and transmit the virus, even when they themselves don’t get sick.

Why is the vaccine mandatory? This should make people think, if I’m healthy and don’t want or need it why should I have to? Should be voluntary except the left are the dictators here.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
FACT: Individuals who get the COVID-19 vaccination still need to practice infection prevention precautions. Keep your mask on, and continue staying at least 6 feet from people outside your household, until further notice. Vaccines do not stop the coronavirus from entering your body; they only prevent you from developing moderate to severe COVID-19. It’s not yet clear if people vaccinated for COVID-19 can still carry and transmit the virus, even when they themselves don’t get sick.

Why is the vaccine mandatory? This should make people think, if I’m healthy and don’t want or need it why should I have to? Should be voluntary except the left are the dictators here.
How about all the other mandatory childhood vaccinations? I haven't heard many objections to those.
 
How about all the other mandatory childhood vaccinations? I haven't heard many objections to those.
That’s the big problem with all that, it’s easier to say one size fits all when that’s rarely the case. Inform people and let them make their own choice as far as the welfare of their children.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
That’s the big problem with all that, it’s easier to say one size fits all when that’s rarely the case. Inform people and let them make their own choice as far as the welfare of their children.
That's fine for people living in isolation, but -- perhaps unfortunately -- that's no longer an option. Like it or not we live in a society, and must modify our behavior to avoid harming others or disrupting other's lives; ergo: law, morality and propriety.

Perfect freedom is anti-social.
 
That's fine for people living in isolation, but -- perhaps unfortunately -- that's no longer an option. Like it or not we live in a society, and must modify our behavior to avoid harming others or disrupting other's lives; ergo: law, morality and propriety.

Perfect freedom is anti-social.[/QUOTE,
Freedom isn
Could we maintain a healthy, prosperous society, at our current population level, if all mandatory prophylaxis were abolished?
Would you say that mandatory laws, vaccinations, &c have been harmful to society, or helpful?
What’s going on now and last year... Harmful
 
That's fine for people living in isolation, but -- perhaps unfortunately -- that's no longer an option. Like it or not we live in a society, and must modify our behavior to avoid harming others or disrupting other's lives; ergo: law, morality and propriety.

Perfect freedom is anti-social.
We can agree on that and that’s what the government has exploited with the masks and shutdowns. That’s what I’m saying.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What’s going on now and last year... Harmful
What specific goings-on are you referring to? The Covid jabs? Thus far they're voluntary, are they not?
We can agree on that and that’s what the government has exploited with the masks and shutdowns. That’s what I’m saying.
I'm not seeing it. Where's the exploitation? Can't you see the utility of these measures?
I understand shutdowns can have significant social and economic consequences, but wouldn't the long-term consequences be even more onerous if the pandemic isn't brought under control?
What's your proposal to deal with it?

And masks? How are they burdensome? A little rectangle of fabric?

You want exploitation? Why am I required to wear pants/trousers? Why are women required to wear tops? Are you outraged about this exploitation, as well?

Is it just me, or does the Right typically promote radical individualism over collective, social values; selfishness over society?
 
What specific goings-on are you referring to? The Covid jabs? Thus far they're voluntary, are they not?

I'm not seeing it. Where's the exploitation? Can't you see the utility of these measures?
I understand shutdowns can have significant social and economic consequences, but wouldn't the long-term consequences be even more onerous if the pandemic isn't brought under control?
What's your proposal to deal with it?

And masks? How are they burdensome? A little rectangle of fabric?

You want exploitation? Why am I required to wear pants/trousers? Why are women required to wear tops? Are you outraged about this exploitation, as well?

Is it just me, or does the Right typically promote radical individualism over collective, social values; selfishness over society?
Your examples and comments don’t deserve a serious answer:
 

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Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
"Perfect freedom" leads to anarchy, which always ends up being even more restrictive, as you well know.
Only because anarchist movement tend to be swiftly crushed by the forces of statism.
Most anarchist regimes in history tended to emphasize self-government and autonomy at the individual and communal level.
 
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