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No Wonder the Bible is Anybody's Guess

Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Skwim said:
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It's gone through rewrite after rewrite.


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Producing 127 different complete Bibles and 35 partial Bibles.
source: Wikipedia


Which has resulted in very different types of books!


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Producing . . . .




SO, WHAT'S GOING ON?

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Christians call it divine guidance and inspiration.
 
W

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Skwim said:
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It's gone through rewrite after rewrite.


new-testament-bible-editions-timeline.gif





Producing 127 different complete Bibles and 35 partial Bibles.
source: Wikipedia


Which has resulted in very different types of books!


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Producing . . . .




SO, WHAT'S GOING ON?

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A historical investigative approach would look for commonlaity
and all these have a great deal in common

However the bible in inspired in the original manuscripts not in any particular
translation also some may be better than others
 
Jollybear

Jollybear

Hey
Skwim said:
If you're saying that lexicographers are the same as Biblical scholars and translators you're quite mistaken.


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No, people who put the book together, editors, puplishers or whatever is not what im talking about. Im talking about the scholars. They make the lexicon as in showing what the hebrew and greek words mean in english.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
 
Kenny

Kenny

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Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
KenS said:
Not really - NASB is from the originals. :) But please keep trying... I always enjoy your efforts.
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Not sure what you mean by "originals," but a quick check turned up the following:

"The New American Standard Bible (NASB) is an English translation of the Bible by the Lockman Foundation."
Source: Wikipedia​

As for the Lockman Foundation

"On December 3, 1942, Mr. and Mrs. Lockman donated a substantial part of their citrus acreage, the Imperial Ranch in La Habra, California, to establish The Lockman Foundation. Imperial Highway was so named after the Lockmans granted an easement through their property for the development of the major highway between Orange County and Los Angeles.

At the time the Foundation was established Mr. and Mrs. Lockman and the Board of Directors set forth the Four-fold Aim which continues to guide the development of all Lockman biblical translations. The Lockman translations are highly regarded and recognized by scholars and others as the finest, most literally accurate, readable translations of the Bible available.

The Four-fold Aim requires that the translations should be true to the original languages, minimizing theological bias and personal interpretation by the biblical scholar/translators in order to allow the reader closer access to the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic texts; the translations should be grammatically correct, allowing the biblical scholar/translators latitude in the arrangement of text while maintaining as literally accurate a translation of the original languages as possible; the translations should be understandable to the masses, requiring the biblical scholar/translators to focus on the readability as well as the accuracy of the literal translation; and the translations should give the Lord Jesus Christ His proper place in Scripture that place which God's Word gives Him.
Source: ibid.
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Really, not a thing about being from the originals.
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74x12

74x12

Well-Known Member
Skwim said:
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It's gone through rewrite after rewrite.


new-testament-bible-editions-timeline.gif





Producing 127 different complete Bibles and 35 partial Bibles.
source: Wikipedia


Which has resulted in very different types of books!


main-qimg-00af2b31c641c1ca4d02f92a291f993f-c

Producing . . . .




SO, WHAT'S GOING ON?

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Just translation issues. The source material is what matters. People should just translate word for word(as much as possible) the source material of their choosing. They shouldn't pick and choose different sources to put together some weird conglomerate "translation" which is really just "cherry picker's Bible version 1.0" It's so annoying to me.
 
Samantha Rinne

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
What's going on, you ask?

It's simple. Human nature.

They are told by their founder to love one another, they try their best. But ultimately, human beings have to be right.

Why does the Torah go through so few revisions? Well, no need to translate it from Hebrew (unless you can't understand it), and basically the Law is studied, not so much interpreted. Although it does have interpretation. But they put that in the Midrash, they don't make new books every time someone wants to interpret a few words.
 
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Samantha Rinne

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Don't be a troll.

The title of the thread is explicitly about the Bible. You are sidetracking the topic.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Skwim said:
Not sure what you mean by "originals," but a quick check turned up the following:

"The New American Standard Bible (NASB) is an English translation of the Bible by the Lockman Foundation."
Source: Wikipedia​

As for the Lockman Foundation

"On December 3, 1942, Mr. and Mrs. Lockman donated a substantial part of their citrus acreage, the Imperial Ranch in La Habra, California, to establish The Lockman Foundation. Imperial Highway was so named after the Lockmans granted an easement through their property for the development of the major highway between Orange County and Los Angeles.

At the time the Foundation was established Mr. and Mrs. Lockman and the Board of Directors set forth the Four-fold Aim which continues to guide the development of all Lockman biblical translations. The Lockman translations are highly regarded and recognized by scholars and others as the finest, most literally accurate, readable translations of the Bible available.

The Four-fold Aim requires that the translations should be true to the original languages, minimizing theological bias and personal interpretation by the biblical scholar/translators in order to allow the reader closer access to the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic texts; the translations should be grammatically correct, allowing the biblical scholar/translators latitude in the arrangement of text while maintaining as literally accurate a translation of the original languages as possible; the translations should be understandable to the masses, requiring the biblical scholar/translators to focus on the readability as well as the accuracy of the literal translation; and the translations should give the Lord Jesus Christ His proper place in Scripture that place which God's Word gives Him.
Source: ibid.
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Really, not a thing about being from the originals.
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And where do you think they get the "original languages" from?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Rival said:
Good thing the Jews can read the original. Anyone an learn.
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One original collection of myths is necessarily better than a smorgasbord of an assemblage of collections of ancient myths?
Nah.
I don’t see Judaism or Islam as better than Christianity.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
ChristineM said:
Yes, copy .by hand, often in poor light and often not using the brightest of scribes.

However, back to my question that you failed to answer, what originals?
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No...

  1. They could only use clean animal skins, both to write on, and even to bind manuscripts.
  2. Each column of writing could have no less than forty-eight, and no more than sixty lines.
  3. The ink must be black, and of a special recipe.
  4. They must verbalize each word aloud while they were writing.
  5. They must wipe the pen and wash their entire bodies before writing the word "Jehovah," every time they wrote it.
  6. There must be a review within thirty days, and if as many as three pages required corrections, the entire manuscript had to be redone.
  7. The letters, words, and paragraphs had to be counted, and the document became invalid if two letters touched each other. The middle paragraph, word and letter must correspond to those of the original document.
  8. The documents could be stored only in sacred places (synagogues, etc).
  9. As no document containing God's Word could be destroyed, they were stored, or buried, in a genizah - a Hebrew term meaning "hiding place." These were usually kept in a synagogue or sometimes in a Jewish cemetery.

And I answer the question above.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
KenS said:
No...

  1. They could only use clean animal skins, both to write on, and even to bind manuscripts.
  2. Each column of writing could have no less than forty-eight, and no more than sixty lines.
  3. The ink must be black, and of a special recipe.
  4. They must verbalize each word aloud while they were writing.
  5. They must wipe the pen and wash their entire bodies before writing the word "Jehovah," every time they wrote it.
  6. There must be a review within thirty days, and if as many as three pages required corrections, the entire manuscript had to be redone.
  7. The letters, words, and paragraphs had to be counted, and the document became invalid if two letters touched each other. The middle paragraph, word and letter must correspond to those of the original document.
  8. The documents could be stored only in sacred places (synagogues, etc).
  9. As no document containing God's Word could be destroyed, they were stored, or buried, in a genizah - a Hebrew term meaning "hiding place." These were usually kept in a synagogue or sometimes in a Jewish cemetery.

And I answer the question above.
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The method of copying was not in question. That they were copied by hand was.

And can you guarantee all scribes adhered to the formula you indicate?

9 is a bit confusing. All stored yet surprisingly few survived storage, those very few that did survive tend to found in far flung caves, not synagogues or cemeteries.

No you didnt answer, Considering there are no original nt bo
books and you know it you have obfuscated.
 
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