No Rapture, No Millennium Kingdom

[questfortruth]

Eastern Orthodox Christianity does not teach

I know what does my Church teach. That is why abortion is crime: baby is not baptized.

 

[blü 2]

My personal opinion. Let us discuss.

Dear friends, according to Holy Fathers of Eastern Orthodox Church,
there will be no rapture at all, and no 1000 years of Christ ruling from Jerusalem.
There will be 3 and half years of Antichrist and then the Judgement Day, without the Millennium thing.

Yes, there are Rapture and Millennium in the Bible.
But because my Church has not agreed, the God has agreed with my Church.

I've always had a soft spot for the Rapture ─ a kind God relieving the earth of a whole raft of dingbats in one great swoop...

 

[mangalavara]

I know what does my Church teach. That is why abortion is crime: baby is not baptized.

Ok, well, I used to be an Orthodox catechumen. The priest gave me two books written by other Orthodox clergymen to read. Additionally, he and another priest personally explained things to me. What I heard from them, read in books, and read about elsewhere was all consistent.

 

[questfortruth]

was all consistent.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the
John 3:5.

Water!! Water of baptism. Real, literal water. Where is holy water in womb?

 

[mangalavara]

Water!! Water of baptism. Real, literal water. Where is holy water in womb?

The Church Fathers taught that John 3.5 is about the real, literal water of baptism, yes. However, is it for the forgiveness of Original Sin in babies (a Western belief), or is it for being clothed in Christ and made a member of his body (an Eastern belief)?

 

[questfortruth]

The Church Fathers taught that John 3.5 is about the real, literal water of baptism, yes. However, is it for the forgiveness of Original Sin in babies (a Western belief), or is it for being clothed in Christ and made a member of his body (an Eastern belief)?

It seems that the real knowledge of religions is the top secret. My Church believes that children are in slavery of evil spirit, so they have to be baptized.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I've always had a soft spot for the Rapture ─ a kind God relieving the earth of a whole raft of dingbats in one great swoop...

Can you imagine?

Afterwards...

Peace on earth, goodwill to men.

Bye bye dingbats. Heh heh...

 

[InChrist]

Children have Original Sin and other sins.

Yes, children are sinful, nevertheless they are not accountable until they reach the age or point of understanding their sinful nature and need for repentance, forgiveness and the Savior. Remember Jesus said,
“Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”
Matthew 19:14

 

[questfortruth]

Remember Jesus said,

Lord, we need you. Come back.

 

[InChrist]

From what I understand, the term secret rapture indicates that the pre-tribulation rapture of dispensationalism does not involve an appearance of Jesus that would be noticed by the whole world. First Thessalonians 4.15-17 is thought to refer to that rapture.

When I read 1 Thessalonians 4.15-17, I notice that Jesus 'will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God' (NKJV). To me, that sounds like a visible and very noisy appearance. The whole world would have to be aware of it.



That would be noticeable, yeah.

It does seem like it would be noticeable. The scriptures don’t indicate one way or another whether the whole world hears the trumpet and shout or only believers in Christ. I think it’s likely that all hear something loud and noticeable, but only believers comprehend what they are hearing. Others will be aware something dramatic happened, but won’t be sure what it was. Just my thoughts.

 

[metis]

The early Church rejected the idea of a millennial reign of Christ as a future event because that concept doesn't show up anywhere other than the Book of Revelation. Instead, they tended to believe that it probably referred to Christ's Kingdom actually being created when he was alive with it therefore being ongoing. In ancient Hebrew usage, 1000 was the highest number unless one used additional terminology, and it was symbolic for meaning large amounts.

 

[paarsurrey]

Apostle Paul, and the Revelation of John.

Kindly quote what did Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah say about it, please. Right?
Why not focus on Yeshua and follow the Hellenist-Paul, his Hellenist Associates and the Hellenist Pauline-Church (of dying and rising deity), please? Right?

Regards

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

My personal opinion. Let us discuss.

Dear friends, according to Holy Fathers of Eastern Orthodox Church,
there will be no rapture at all, and no 1000 years of Christ ruling from Jerusalem.
There will be 3 and half years of Antichrist and then the Judgement Day, without the Millennium thing.

Yes, there are Rapture and Millennium in the Bible.
But because my Church has not agreed, the God has agreed with my Church.

Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Anglicanism and mainline Protestantism all do not teach a literal millennial view or a pre-tribulation rapture. That's an American evangelical thing that has spread since the 19th century, I believe.

 

[Five Solas]

My personal opinion. Let us discuss.

Dear friends, according to Holy Fathers of Eastern Orthodox Church,
there will be no rapture at all, and no 1000 years of Christ ruling from Jerusalem.
There will be 3 and half years of Antichrist and then the Judgement Day, without the Millennium thing.

Yes, there are Rapture and Millennium in the Bible.
But because my Church has not agreed, the God has agreed with my Church.

The Orthodox church, RCC and Reformed (Presbyterian) churches hold to amillennialism. This rejects the idea of the millennial reign. Reformed amillennialism teaches increasing lawlessness in the world, apostasy from the truth and great tribulation for all those who believe in God and keep His commandments. To such a world, thus fully developed in sin, will Christ return.