If there`s no proof God exists why does The US government continue to produce US dollar bills that says, " IN GOD WE TRUST "? Even scientists or atheists carry these US dollar bills in their pockets believing it could buy them something. If atheists or scientists do not believe in God then they should desist in carrying in their wallets US dollar bills that says, " IN GOD WE TRUST." The US dollar bill is proof that God exists.
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No proof of God
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PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Essentially: because they cannot be bothered to spend all the money needed to change it. It has no logical validity whatsoever.
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
The US Pledge of Allegiance also contains the words "one nation, under god". The problem, first of all, is that putting the word "god" on anything is no proof at all that it exists. Second, these things were not added until after WWII. Third, why is it just American money? So if the word "god" was not on American money, but on, say French money, would this be "proof" of god's existence? Not hardly. This is one of the most illogical reasons I've ever heard for god's existence, but I must say, it's creative nonetheless.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Like people all over the world, sometimes they get carried away by their faith and do foolish things.
Carpenter Rabbi
Member
Jeez, this is a worse argument than "We have more people so we're right."
I know you're banned, but for everyone else who thinks like this:
THIS TYPE OF "LOGIC" TURNS PEOPLE AWAY FROM RELIGION. STOP DOING IT.
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ON SECOND THOUGHT, KEEP DOING IT. We need more irreligious people.
I know you're banned, but for everyone else who thinks like this:
THIS TYPE OF "LOGIC" TURNS PEOPLE AWAY FROM RELIGION. STOP DOING IT.
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ON SECOND THOUGHT, KEEP DOING IT. We need more irreligious people.
faheemkamran
Member
The Qur'an does not impose faith as an unquestionable dogma; it does not force people to believe without questions. On the contrary, if the slogan in other faiths may be believe and don't think, or if you think you will disbelieve, in the Qur'an the slogan is: you only believe if you think. So to convince us that Allah (the Exalted) is our creator, the Qur'an says:
"We created you. Will you not then believe? Have you seen that which you emit? Is it you who Create it or are we the creator? We destined death among you, and we are not to be outrun, that we may transfigure you and make you what you know not. And you already knew the first creation. Why then don't you reflect? Have you seen that which you plough? Is it you who foster it or are we the fosterer? If we so will, we could make it chaff, then would you continue to exclaim: we are laden with debt! Nay we are deprived!"
"Have you observed water that you drink? Is it you who shed it from the rain-cloud or are we the shedder? If we so will we could make it bitter, why then don't you give thanks? Have you observed fire which you strike out? Was it you who created its tree, or were we the originator? We appointed it as a reminder and an enjoyment for dwellers of the wilderness. Therefore, glorify the name of your lord the tremendous." (56:57-74)
The Qur'an then compares between Allah (the Exalted) and false gods in the following words: "Have you observed water that you drink? Is it you who shed it from the rain-cloud or are we the shedder? If we so will we could make it bitter, why then don't you give thanks? Have you observed fire which you strike out? Was it you who created its tree, or were we the originator? We appointed it as a reminder and an enjoyment for dwellers of the wilderness. Therefore, glorify the name of your lord the tremendous." (56:57-74)
"Say: 'Praise be to Allah, and peace be upon his slaves whom he has chosen. Is Allah best, or all that they ascribe as partners (with him)? Isn't he the best who created the heavens and the earth and sends down for you water from the sky wherewith we cause to grow joyous gardens, whose trees you can never cause to grow. Is there any god beside Allah?'
Nay, but they are people who ascribe equals (to Allah). Is not he (best) who made the earth an established abode, and placed rivers across its folds, and made firm mountains for it and has set a barrier between the two seas? Is there any god beside Allah? Nay, but most of them know not. Is not he (best) who answers the oppressed one when he cries unto him, and removes evil and makes you viceroys of the earth? Is there any god beside Allah? Little do they reflect."
"Is not he (best) who guides you in the darkness of land and sea and who sends winds as heralds of his mercy? Is there any god beside Allah? Exalted be Allah above all they ascribe (unto him). Is not he (best) who starts creation, then reproduces it and who provides for you from heaven and earth? Is there any god beside Allah? Bring your proof if you are truthful.
Say: 'No one in the heavens and earth knows the unseen except Allah; and they know not when they will be resurrected." (27:59-66)
The Qur'an then uses another method of reasoning to prove that Allah (the Exalted) is the creator: Nay, but they are people who ascribe equals (to Allah). Is not he (best) who made the earth an established abode, and placed rivers across its folds, and made firm mountains for it and has set a barrier between the two seas? Is there any god beside Allah? Nay, but most of them know not. Is not he (best) who answers the oppressed one when he cries unto him, and removes evil and makes you viceroys of the earth? Is there any god beside Allah? Little do they reflect."
"Is not he (best) who guides you in the darkness of land and sea and who sends winds as heralds of his mercy? Is there any god beside Allah? Exalted be Allah above all they ascribe (unto him). Is not he (best) who starts creation, then reproduces it and who provides for you from heaven and earth? Is there any god beside Allah? Bring your proof if you are truthful.
Say: 'No one in the heavens and earth knows the unseen except Allah; and they know not when they will be resurrected." (27:59-66)
"Verily we created man from a produce of wet earth; then we made him a drop of seed in a safe Lodging; we then fashioned the drop a clot, then we fashioned the clot a chewed lump; then we fashioned the chewed lump into bones; then we clothed the bones with flesh; then we made it as another creation. So blessed be Allah the best of creators!" (23:12-14 )
Once the Qur'an establishes this basic fact of faith namely that Allah is the creator of all things, it moves one step further and states that it is Allah (the Exalted) who causes the death of his creations and it is He who will bring them back to life. In the words of the Qur'an we read:
"...then after that you will surely die. Then on the day of judgment you will be resurrected." (23:15-16 )
Thus has Allah proven that He exists and then He tells us what will happen to us. Now, who will listen?
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
I don't see any proof of Allah's existence, all I see are quotes from the Qur'an. You can't use the Qur'an to prove the Qur'an. If it were that easy, the same could be said of the Bible, the Vedas, the Granth Sahib, or any other religious text. It's great that you feel you have a rational basis for your belief, but, at least in your post, there's no reason involved, it's just faith. The only way the Qur'an could be used to prove the Qur'an or Allah, is if one already has faith in it.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Then who is included and excluded in the "we"? If the "we" includes all US citizens then I would think any would qualify as an "I" as in "In God I trust." And that's the trouble with the phrase. It purports to speak for everyone, when, of course, this isn't true at all.
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Seriously?
The gov't doesn't want to offend the easily offended religious groups so they keep it on the money. Even some states have it on their license plates. But there is a movement to have it removed. Eventually, it likely will be removed from all gov't objects.
So, did god not exist until the 1950's? Thats when it was put on all US currency.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No. That's not it. At all. But keep trying. You'll tumble to it eventually. I hope.
Skwim
Veteran Member
How about hitching up your britches and giving me your best shot at what you think "it" is then? Just who or what constitutes this collective you speak of?
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
It's a metaphor. Problem is, atheists, agnostics, and many fundies try to make "God" some particular thing. The fundies try to make "God" a real being. The other two do the same thing, then vehemently deny its reality.
It's a metaphor. It's a metaphor for our collective greatness, created out of difference. It's a metaphor for our striving for something that is greater than we now have. American ingenuity, drive, pluck, courage, wealth, know-how -- all are images of the "God" toward which we, as a nation strive. In the middle part of the last century, that metaphor was juxtaposed against the communist threat -- a threat which strove to swallow up individual importance. To communism, individuals don't matter -- only the whole matters. To Americans, individuals matter deeply, for we know that it is the individuals -- their differences and uniqueness -- that make the whole very strong. To say, "In God we trust," is to say that our greatness lies beyond what any one person can do, beyond what any one people can do. It says that individuals, celebrating their uniqueness together, can work miracles in societal life.
It's a metaphor. It's a metaphor for our collective greatness, created out of difference. It's a metaphor for our striving for something that is greater than we now have. American ingenuity, drive, pluck, courage, wealth, know-how -- all are images of the "God" toward which we, as a nation strive. In the middle part of the last century, that metaphor was juxtaposed against the communist threat -- a threat which strove to swallow up individual importance. To communism, individuals don't matter -- only the whole matters. To Americans, individuals matter deeply, for we know that it is the individuals -- their differences and uniqueness -- that make the whole very strong. To say, "In God we trust," is to say that our greatness lies beyond what any one person can do, beyond what any one people can do. It says that individuals, celebrating their uniqueness together, can work miracles in societal life.