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No Big Bang

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Nakosis, Mar 13, 2018.

  1. Nakosis

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    So much for Kalams argument I guess...
     
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  3. Nakosis

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    Yes, no prime mover. Everything does not have a beginning.

    So the universe is much much older, or really if there's no beginning, it's ageless? Immortal?

    Maybe this is a good thing for pantheists. The Universe is the Prime Mover.
     
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    Well, it's been three years since the article appeared (February 9, 2015), and so far as I can tell their "no-BB model" has all but disappeared.

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    I think if there had been a big bang, we would have heard something.
     
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    another computer model...
     
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    Uh...its a paper..., so its way, way, WAY too soon to be talking about it on RF. Let the Astronomers and Physicists have a look. In twelve years we will hear if its is solid.
     
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    It's not just the laws of physics, but the laws of mathematics that break down at singularity. More evidence for God and Kalam's.
     
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    The big bang is a misnomer. There was no explosion. It can be more aptly described as an sudden, immediate expansion that is still going on.

    "Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." Isaiah 40:22

    "I am the Lord who makes all things, who stretches out the heavens all alone, who spreads abroad the earth by myself." Isaiah 44:24

    Warning: Objects are farther away than they appear. If space is less dense in some places, then this would affect light would travel faster in those areas than denser space.
     
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    Most cosmologists lean in the direction of there being a "Multiverse" that goes back into infinity, which is only slightly older than I am.
     
  11. Jainarayan

    Jainarayan ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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    Good point. If one takes it that the universe and God are one, the universe can't have had a beginning or have an end. That would mean God has a beginning and will have an end. This is no problem for panentheism (or panendeism), however.
     
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    I was thinking about that. This is not so really different.

    Perhaps like a fractal universe, it goes on infinitely in any direction. So if you were to travel far enough in a direction you'd likely come across a galaxy exactly like this one.

    The speed of light limits the universe we can interact with. If we were to somehow jump to a distant area of the universe, it would be like a completely separate universe as far as we were concerned since we'd not be able to interact with this one. This would fulfill for all intents and purposes, the experience of a multidimensional universe.
     
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    What, metis's age? :p
     
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  14. Nakosis

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    Sorry, I've already been assuming the truth of this for the past ten years. It fits with a number of other ideas, thoughts and research I've come across.

    I understand it's a possible mathematical model. Unfortunately, because of the physics involved, unless we can find a means to travel faster than light, Astronomers and Physicists will never be able to interact or make observations of any of this.

    Any mathematical model, like the Big Bang has to be based on some assumptions.
     
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    Um, not "age"-- "maturity"-- you should try it. :p:p [a double header-- baseball season, ya know]
     
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    They actually have "seen out" quite far, plus "red-shift" is quite informative, as is the measurement of residual radiation from the BB that is being diagnosed as we speak. One cosmologist feels we may know what actually led up to the BB within a decade or two. [heart, keep beating!]
     
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    True, this just supports my personal narrative so until something proves it wrong, I'm going with it.
     
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    The speed of light limits how far out we can see or interact with the universe. I doubt we are going to be able to overcome that limitation in the next 10 to 12 years.
     
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    Tune your tv off station, you can hear something
     
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    Of course, as good as anything else...There is no prove for anything, really, a few things supporting BB but still requires miracles to fit physics.
     
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