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No Big Bang

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Yes, no prime mover. Everything does not have a beginning.

So the universe is much much older, or really if there's no beginning, it's ageless? Immortal?

Maybe this is a good thing for pantheists. The Universe is the Prime Mover.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Well, it's been three years since the article appeared (February 9, 2015), and so far as I can tell their "no-BB model" has all but disappeared.

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Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
Ali and coauthor Saurya Das at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta, Canada, have shown in a paper published in Physics Letters B that the Big Bang singularity can be resolved by their new model in which the universe has no beginning and no end.

https://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html
Uh...its a paper..., so its way, way, WAY too soon to be talking about it on RF. Let the Astronomers and Physicists have a look. In twelve years we will hear if its is solid.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
It's not just the laws of physics, but the laws of mathematics that break down at singularity. More evidence for God and Kalam's.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
I think if there had been a big bang, we would have heard something.

The big bang is a misnomer. There was no explosion. It can be more aptly described as an sudden, immediate expansion that is still going on.

"Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." Isaiah 40:22

"I am the Lord who makes all things, who stretches out the heavens all alone, who spreads abroad the earth by myself." Isaiah 44:24

Warning: Objects are farther away than they appear. If space is less dense in some places, then this would affect light would travel faster in those areas than denser space.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Maybe this is a good thing for pantheists. The Universe is the Prime Mover.

Good point. If one takes it that the universe and God are one, the universe can't have had a beginning or have an end. That would mean God has a beginning and will have an end. This is no problem for panentheism (or panendeism), however.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Most cosmologists lean in the direction of there being a "Multiverse" that goes back into infinity, which is only slightly older than I am.

I was thinking about that. This is not so really different.

Perhaps like a fractal universe, it goes on infinitely in any direction. So if you were to travel far enough in a direction you'd likely come across a galaxy exactly like this one.

The speed of light limits the universe we can interact with. If we were to somehow jump to a distant area of the universe, it would be like a completely separate universe as far as we were concerned since we'd not be able to interact with this one. This would fulfill for all intents and purposes, the experience of a multidimensional universe.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Uh...its a paper..., so its way, way, WAY too soon to be talking about it on RF. Let the Astronomers and Physicists have a look. In twelve years we will hear if its is solid.

Sorry, I've already been assuming the truth of this for the past ten years. It fits with a number of other ideas, thoughts and research I've come across.

I understand it's a possible mathematical model. Unfortunately, because of the physics involved, unless we can find a means to travel faster than light, Astronomers and Physicists will never be able to interact or make observations of any of this.

Any mathematical model, like the Big Bang has to be based on some assumptions.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Any mathematical model, like the Big Bang has to be based on some assumptions.
They actually have "seen out" quite far, plus "red-shift" is quite informative, as is the measurement of residual radiation from the BB that is being diagnosed as we speak. One cosmologist feels we may know what actually led up to the BB within a decade or two. [heart, keep beating!]
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
They actually have "seen out" quite far, plus "red-shift" is quite informative, as is the measurement of residual radiation from the BB that is being diagnosed as we speak. One cosmologist feels we may know what actually led up to the BB within a decade or two. [heart, keep beating!]

The speed of light limits how far out we can see or interact with the universe. I doubt we are going to be able to overcome that limitation in the next 10 to 12 years.
 

socharlie

Active Member
True, this just supports my personal narrative so until something proves it wrong, I'm going with it.
Of course, as good as anything else...There is no prove for anything, really, a few things supporting BB but still requires miracles to fit physics.
 
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