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Featured Newton - The Last Of The Magicians

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Native, Feb 7, 2019.

  1. Native

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    Hello All,
    I´ve just watched a dramatizised documentary, mostly based on Newton´s "secret boks of papers" which was opened about 200 years after his death. The papers revealed, amongst other topics, a deep interest for ancient cultures and their "World Perception".

    Watch the video documentary here - "Newton the last of the Magicians" - https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1wjy2r

    It is my claim that Newton didn´t grasp the full implications of the Ancient and the cultural numerous "Stories of Creation" - If he had, he never would have come up with his "gravitational ideas and laws".

    Well, what do you say to this?
     
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  2. Polymath257

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    I strongly disagree. Newton was one of the last of the medieval thinkers as well as being one of the first modern ones. His views on gravity were well thought out and were verified many times over the next centuries, only to be modified by Einstein about a century ago.

    His mysticism was a rather tragic distraction of a brilliant mind in my opinion.
     
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    o_O How exactly would having an understanding of multicultural historical mysticism influence his skills at deductive reasoning?
     
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    Devotees of scientism will always be shocked by the religious or occult interests of men like Kepler or Newton — that is when they don't just try to conceal them, as many biographers used to.

    Incidentally, he was hardly the last magician. There are more people practising magic in Britain today than there were in his time!
     
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    He was standing on the shoulders of giants. For him they formed a coherent worldview. His "other writings" aren't as incomprehensible as some claim.
     
  6. Native

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    Hello Daemon Sophic,
    The short answer is: If Newton have understood the the ancient Stories of Creation, he would have known that al motions in our Solar System derives from the motions and formation in the Milky Way galaxy, of which the Solar System is an integrated orbiting part.

    The motions in our Solar System have nothing to do with gravity at all.
     
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  7. Native

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    I agree that it was tragic indeed! Because it ended up with lots of speculative matemathical calculations instead of with direct intuitive knowledge of cosmos.

    He sort of left his natural philosophy and became the first matemagician. Very sad indeed.
     
  8. Native

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    Either ways, these writings reveals the tracks Newton investigated as a traditional Natural Philosopher, but apperantly Newton left this natural track and locked it all away for the future to discover.
     
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    I think this is a natural reaction towards the de-mystification of the ancient mythical/religious knowledge and towards the modern one-way-mechanical-mindset in science.
     
  10. Daemon Sophic

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    Hello Native,
    :)

    In regards to your last sentence
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    You need to check your sources again. Because gravity has literally EVERYTHING to do with the motion of the Milky Way and all of the other galaxies, as well as the motion of all objects within our own star system.

    What exactly are you suggesting planetary motion is derived from? o_O
     
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    Um, no. The realization that we are inside a swirling collection of stars that is flat and circular, except for a bulge at the center didn't come until centuries after Newton. That there are other galaxies wasn't realized until the early 1900's.
     
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  12. Native

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    I am referring to the knowledge of ancient Stories of Creation and of course I´ve checked my sources and compared these with the thinking of modern cosmology.

    The ancient stories of creation deals specifically with the formation of out Milky Way and NOT of the creation of the entire Universe. The beginning of these stories looks very much as in modern science:

    "Rivers of primordial matters flows together in a swirling center" and when heated up, a central light (Electromagnetic Force) is turned on and began to create firm matter and fluent spheres of gaseous elements.

    The BIG different between ancient and modern science in this case, is that the modern science just have a random and not localized "cloud of gas and dust, which come together", whereas ancient knowledge locate this cloud as the beginning of the Milky Way and the very formation of it and everything inside it, of course included our Solar System.

    That is: All rotational and orbital motions in our galaxy derives from the swirling momentum in the Milky Way center, caused by an attractive force in the first place and after the formation and spreading of starry spheres in the galactic center, these starry spheres are repulsed away from the galactic center and out in the galactic surroundings.

    That is again: We are dealing with BOTH an atractive and repulsing force of creation and Newton would have concluded this from his studies of ancient cultures, but he didn´t understand and grasp this. In stead he came up with just half of the story of creation, the attractive part of it, which he falsely ascribed to the whole part of the creation.

    This was why his ideas was discarded by Einstein and this was also why his ideas of universal celestial motion was contradicted by the discovery of the galactic rotation curve, which de facto describes an outgoing motion from within the galactic center and outwards in the galactic surroundings - just as the ancient Stories of Creation states.

    The formation of our Solar System:
    As mentioned above, the pre-Solar System starry sphere was formed in the galactic center and on its way out from the center, planets were formed out of the swirling and molten hot Solar Sphere and later on the planetary moons were formed out of their mother planets and ALL rotating and orbiting motions are originally the results of the swirling motion in the galactic center from where the Solar System was formed in the first place.

    This outgoing motion from the galactic center is STILL at work as increasing distances between the Earth and the Sun and also between the Earth and the Moon.

    My conclusion: Modern cosmological science has everything to learn from the ancient Stories of Creation and unfortunately Newton missed this knowledge and began to put the little he knew onto mathematical calculations, mostly based on pure speculations and with NO causal explanations at all.
     
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  13. Native

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    Why do you think ancient cultures, amongst other symbols, used the
    Tortoise as a cosmic symbol of creation?

    Second sentense: I´m not refferring to "other galaxies" but just to the Milky Way and I cannot find any mythical sources which states our ancestors knew of more galaxies. (But I wouldn´t be surpriced if they intuitively and by spiritual visions did know of this)
     
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    Sorry, but what specific things in ancient stories of creation do you think contradict the Theory of Gravity? What modern observations do you think contradict the Theory of Gravity?
     
  15. ChristineM

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    I'd say gravity existed even in ancient times, if gravity was considered at all it would seen as just more god magic because that was the limit of knowledge.

    Great minds improve on that knowledge, sometimes kicking ignorance into to trash can where it belongs

    Despite being slightly odd and obsessive about his religious beliefs Newton was such a great mind.
     
  16. Native

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    Read my explanations in #12 above.
     
  17. ChristineM

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    If you were addressing me, yup, read it, my thoughts, you should read up on modern cosmology.

    And please supply citation for your ancient sources
     
  18. Native

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    Of course, the "feeling of physical weight" also existed in ancient times, but this physical weight was overcome by the spiritual travelling all over the places in cosmos.
    Compared to the wisdom of our ancestors, Newton was just a curious novice.
     
  19. Native

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    NOPE I was in fact adressing:

    Kangaroo Feathers said:
    Sorry, but what specific things in ancient stories of creation do you think contradict the Theory of Gravity? What modern observations do you think contradict the Theory of Gravity?

    Read what is written before you reply.
     
  20. ChristineM

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    Not sure anyone has ever proved spiritual is anything more than imagination. Perhaps you could convince me otherwise

    Exchange wisdom for ignorance and im with you on the comparason
     
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