"Nancy Pelosi is winning in her battle with Trump. Here's why"

[youknowme]

Nancy Pelosi is winning her showdown with President Trump for one simple reason: She knows how to do her job better than he knows how to do his.

The House speaker is fond of three precepts; spend time with her and you’ll hear them all. One is from Abraham Lincoln: “Public sentiment is everything. With it, nothing can fail; against it, nothing can succeed.”

The second is from her father, an old-school Democratic mayor of Baltimore: “Votes are the coin of the realm.” The third is her own: Never underestimate Nancy Pelosi.

In this battle, she’s winning — and Trump’s losing — on all three counts.

Nancy Pelosi is winning in her battle with Trump. Here's why

Is Trump simply out of his league and lack the experience needed? Up until now Trump has had the luxury of an Rep. controlled House, a bunch of yes-men, but does he have the experience needed to handle a House that is not afraid to stand up to him?

 

[PureX]

Nancy Pelosi is winning in her battle with Trump. Here's why

Is Trump simply out of his league and lack the experience needed? Up until now Trump has had the luxury of an Rep. controlled House, a bunch of yes-men, but does he have the experience needed to handle a House that is not afraid to stand up to him?

Of course he doesn't. He's an idiot.

The problem for Pelosi is that the republicans know they are on a sinking ship, and they are determined to do as much 'damage' as they can get away with before it goes down, completely. And by 'damage', I mean they intend to install as much systemic advantage to their wealthy corporate sponsors as they can before they all leave office and go collect their high-paying, do-nothing jobs (a form of legalized bribe money) on the payrolls of their wealthy corporate sponsors. Many of them will become lobbyists who's job it will be to corrupt their own replacements in the house and senate.

There is no negotiation possible with Trump because he is a spoiled man-child, and there is no negotiating with the senate republicans because they know they are all on their way out. So really, all Pelosi and the other dems in the house can do is try to minimize the damage being done.

 

[youknowme]

It should be clear by now that Trump is not the deal making genius he sold himself as and he has put himself into a lose-lose situation. The compromise he gave last night looks like it could backfire on him, as it seems both sides of the fence are condemning it. The Dems rejected it outright and his hard-core right-wing base seems to be rejecting it as a well, upset at the notion of extending protection in exchange of partial funding for the wall.

Right now Fox news, Trump and other Reps are trying to push the ploy they put in play last night by focusing on the Dem's refusal to accept the offer, but that so far seems like a failed effort to shift blame.

The only thing that has given Trump leverage among Reps is the loyalty of his hard-core base, and if that goes I suspect the Reps. will jump ship. If Trump is not careful this could be the thing that ends his rule. If he backs off now or comes up with a real compromise there is still enough time between now and the 2020 election for people to forget that is he responsible for this mess, but Trump is a very stubborn man, he might just keep going. Regardless though, either way he is taking a big hit, his base will either be upset with him for compromising or they will be upset with him for giving up.

 

[Shaul]

Pelosi is losing. Sooner or later enough Democrats in the House will vote with the House Republicans and pass a spending bill that includes President Trump’s border funding.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Pelosi is losing. Sooner or later enough Democrats in the House will vote with the House Republicans and pass a spending bill that includes President Trump’s border funding.

The sooner the better. The government would reopen and the border wall will be done rigrig instead of half *** like poo poo Pelosi and her ilk wants it.

Then she could go back to her usual worthless and wacky do nothing obstructionist agenda and ride her broomstick around the Capital to blow off some steam.

 

[youknowme]

Pelosi is losing. Sooner or later enough Democrats in the House will vote with the House Republicans and pass a spending bill that includes President Trump’s border funding.

The Dems are proving to be far more united and determined than the Reps. and there is no evidence to support your conclusion, so I can only assume at this point yours is just wishful thinking.

 

[youknowme]

The sooner the better. The government would reopen and the border wall will be done rigrig instead of half *** like poo poo Pelosi and her ilk wants it.

Then she could go back to her usual worthless and wacky do nothing obstructionist agenda and ride her broomstick around the Capital to blow off some steam.

In a number of recent posts you have made it clear that you are expressing a pure hate for anything you see as "Left", perhaps you should take a break from political discourse.

 

[Shaul]

The Dems are proving to be far more united and determined than the Reps. and there is no evidence to support your conclusion, so I can only assume at this point yours is just wishful thinking.

I presume you meant “not yet”.

 

[youknowme]

I presume you meant “not yet”.

Where?

 

[Shad]

The Dems are proving to be far more united and determined than the Reps. and there is no evidence to support your conclusion, so I can only assume at this point yours is just wishful thinking.

The GOP has a habit of folding far easier and faster than Dems. This has been one of it's weakness for a long time.

 

[Shaul]

The GOP has a habit of folding far easier and faster than Dems. This has been one of it's weakness for a long time.

This time there is only one Republican vote that would need to change, but that vote is Trump’s veto vote, that vote won’t change. There is no way enough Republicans in Congress will vote for a veto proof bill. It is far more likely that enough Democrats will break ranks to vote for Bill that includes the wall funding with some face saving features. Red state vulnerable Democrats won’t want to face re-election on a open door, pro-Pelosi platform in a District that leans for Trump.

 

[youknowme]

This time there is only one Republican vote that would need to change, but that vote is Trump’s veto vote, that vote won’t change. There is no way enough Republicans in Congress will vote for a veto proof bill. It is far more likely that enough Democrats will break ranks to vote for Bill that includes the wall funding with some face saving features. Red state vulnerable Democrats won’t want to face re-election on a open door, pro-Pelosi platform in a District that leans for Trump.

I think you are overlooking the fact that Trump is losing support over this shutdown. Trump is nothing without his base, and it is the only reason Senate Republicans follow him. They don't care about Trump's wall, they were ready to fund the government without even considering funds for his wall.

If Trump was not losing support among his base then maybe you might have a point, but he is losing his political sway over this. This was a bad move by Trump all-around. If they can stop the falling approval ratings and shift more blame on the Dems, they would have more wiggle room but at this point all the options do not look good for Trump. Although I understand that some of you think he is invincible, this, however, is not true.

 

[Shad]

This time there is only one Republican vote that would need to change, but that vote is Trump’s veto vote, that vote won’t change. There is no way enough Republicans in Congress will vote for a veto proof bill. It is far more likely that enough Democrats will break ranks to vote for Bill that includes the wall funding with some face saving features. Red state vulnerable Democrats won’t want to face re-election on a open door, pro-Pelosi platform in a District that leans for Trump.

GOP politicians have a similar risk magnified by the "Trump factor" (negative views due to party association). Mid-terms were not a win for the GOP. Trump is not a career politician thus can take far greater risks than the average GOP politician.

 

[LuisDantas]

The GOP has a habit of folding far easier and faster than Dems. This has been one of it's weakness for a long time.

Regarding principles, not power.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Nancy Pelosi is winning in her battle with Trump. Here's why

Is Trump simply out of his league and lack the experience needed? Up until now Trump has had the luxury of an Rep. controlled House, a bunch of yes-men, but does he have the experience needed to handle a House that is not afraid to stand up to him?

There's a common wisdom in poker that you can't bluff a beginner. The other person needs to have enough sense to know when they have a bad hand to be pressured into folding.

I do think Trump's in a bad position, but I have no idea whether Trump realizes that he's in a bad position. That could draw things out much longer than they need to.

 

[Twilight Hue]

In a number of recent posts you have made it clear that you are expressing a pure hate for anything you see as "Left", perhaps you should take a break from political discourse.

No way sunshine..


Pelosi is just plain bat****-crazy. I mean here you have a woman sitting as Speaker whom doesn't even bother to read and extrapolate the bills laying in front of her.

Her infamous, "You have to pass it to see what's in it", shows her stoic carelessness and laziness and disregard for people in this country in general when it comes to policy making. A lot of the left in power is like that and I'll continue to call it for what it is. If it wasn't the case she wouldn't be speaker.

Trump is rough around the edges, but he does what he says he's going to do and he doesn't do it half baked with half the effort. Like it or not the leftist Socialist Democrats are going to see a wall built because Democrats simply cant handle things like this unless there's something in it for them.

Trump doesn't care what people think of him, but he does strike me as a person who cares about the country and the direction it's going in where is boisterous personality may not always reflect the best demeanor, but his policy certainly does and that's what's important.

 

[youknowme]

he does what he says he's going to do and he doesn't do it half baked with half the effort.

So when is Mexico cutting that check? And when is he releasing his tax returns?

 

[Twilight Hue]

So when is Mexico cutting that check? And when is he releasing his tax returns?

Mexico is paying for the wall through the USMCA trade deal. Trump explained it already.

Trump's tax returns are already released when he became president. That's a requirement. Why they weren't released to the public is a legitimate question, but Trump is not legally obligated to release him if he doesn't want to. He's not the first president to withhold his tax information from the public eye, but I won't cover for him he did say he would release him and he didn't. Personally I suspect it's because the tax code favors the wealthy and there are enough loopholes where some wealthy people don't even have to pay taxes which would make for an interesting thread for another time.

 

[fantome profane]

Mexico is paying for the wall through the USMCA trade deal. Trump explained it already.

Explain to me how that works.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Mexico is paying for the wall through the USMCA trade deal. Trump explained it already.

"Claimed" <> "explained"... especially when the claim is a lie.

Trump's tax returns are already released when he became president. That's a requirement. Why they weren't released to the public is a legitimate question, but Trump is not legally obligated to release him if he doesn't want to. He's not the first president to withhold his tax information from the public eye, but I won't cover for him he did say he would release him and he didn't. Personally I suspect it's because the tax code favors the wealthy and there are enough loopholes where some wealthy people don't even have to pay taxes which would make for an interesting thread for another time.

It isn't that he was legally required to release his returns publicly; it's that he broke his promise to do it.