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Featured My experience and gods existence

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Unveiled Artist, Oct 28, 2021.

  1. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Veteran Member

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    I mentioned an experience I had 11 years ago when I almost got hit by two cars and something (or one's arm) went across my chest and pushed me back. Another similar incident wasn't that dramatic (no spirits iow) but two cars almost hit me and one so close I had to get a drink after crossing the street.

    I called my Christian former friend and told her the 1st incident. My grandmother had just passed away then and first thing I said was thank you grandma but my friend thought it was god.

    Now I don't believe deities exist but she got me thinking that if spiritual awakenings from atheist to theist were true my friend and I wouldn't have drawn two completely different conclusions from the same event.

    Her prior knowledge of God lead her to that conclusion. My absence thereof by default did not.

    So, I ask believers who have opinions of nonbelievers having spiritual awakenings, has there been any where the person did not have preexisting knowledge of God?

    (I've heard it used as proof of god's existence)

    And if spiritual awakenings by default lead to God, why do people who share similar events come to completely different opposing conclusions?


    Just a thought not a sermon
     
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  2. Lain

    Lain An Intervallic Time Traveler

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    All in my opinion: I consider a natural knowledge to be implanted in all human nature, so my answer to the first question is no. As to the second, why there are different conclusions, it is because of social conditions and ideas already in their mind. Like how people who have NDEs might see Buddha, or Jesus, and after the images of art they've seen around them. Social conditions and the will, it will not always lead to someone coming to the same idea of God.
     
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  3. Wildswanderer

    Wildswanderer Well-Known Member

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    How can anyone not know of God's existence? Or at least know that most people believe he exists?
    And how could an ancestor save you if God or someone didn't exist to cause an afterlife?
     
  4. Guitar's Cry

    Guitar's Cry Verisimilitudinous

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    I think people have different life experiences and especially have different needs. Likely, one's conclusion is based on one's experience and need.
     
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  5. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    You would be surprised what adrenaline can do.
    People get sensations all the time. After all we are comprised of living organisms into a super organism. I'm sure when at strict survival mode, those sensations can get pretty powerful in terms of reflex and instinct for self preservation.

    Also remember to always look both ways. ;0]
     
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  6. Unveiled Artist

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    That would mean some spiritual awakenings when atheists turn to theists maybe aren't really a transformation just a reconfirmation of their belief they though they lost. I guess.
     
  7. Unveiled Artist

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    I'm not sure. I don't have an idea of god to really ask the question outside of being a hypothetic question. Most people I came across who believe in god didn't believe in an actual being/deity. So I'm not sure how they can prove it if they are being asked the wrong questions.

    I never really looked into it. Our family always had some sort of spirit belief but never a deity. It was "in the background." It's was a weird experience but I wouldn't know from a logical perspective. I think that's why people have traditions and scripture because it gives them context to their personal experiences.
     
  8. Unveiled Artist

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    If it were god then wouldn't that experience surpass all social and experiential biases?
     
  9. Unveiled Artist

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    Yeah. I can't remember what I did in the first incident other than went into my genealogy-kind of a split second obsession of sorts for some reason. The second experience the adrenaline was at its height. Luckily there wasn't oncoming traffic I would have been hit.
     
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    How does anyone know any god exists? Which one do you think people should know exists, and how?
     
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    The fact is the vast majority of people on earth believe in some version of God.
    Just the existence of the earth and our own existence seems to be enough. I think it's innate in most people.
     
  12. Unveiled Artist

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    That wouldn't be a fair question because different religions define God differently. Hinduism is a good example of this.
     
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    I had an experience maybe 20 years ago while on a training ride on my bike. I was heading south on Ward Parkway and going about 25 mph. As I approached Gregory I had a very strong feeling to slow down even though I had the green light. Moments later an old woman drove right through the red light, and I estimate I would have been right in her line of travel. I doubt I would have survived as she was going about 40. That gave me a lot to think about. An atheist with a guardian angel. I'll take it.

    In the last decade I've had impacts with four cars while on the bike, one head on. All four times the drivers were at fault. I was never seriously injured, but the head on collision sprained my wrists pretty bad for about a year. I was on the bike the next day after each collision.

    The last collision I hit a van at about 25 mph and caused $1700 in damage. I won the state cyclocross championship a week later on that bike.

    So maybe God knows I can take a hit.
     
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    Belief, not knowledge. And many hundreds of gods.

    As we know, all belief is uncertain, and we may be mistaken.

    Only if you assume traditional religious myths first. Rational thinkers avoid that error.
     
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    I actually had a similar experience also many years ago, I was crossing a street on my bike, where cars drive way faster than they are suppose to. However I did look for cars, but for some reason I apparently either missed or miss judge the speed they were driving. But it was only in the very last second I noticed a car and managed to turn the bike, I remember the car was so close that I had to lean to one side not to get hit by its side mirror and the car was almost sliding through an intersection with the brakes screaming or what to say. Had it hit me I had been done for thats for sure. But besides thinking that it was pretty damn close and I was really lucky, I never really thought to much about it to be honest.

    Another time when I was very young I were running with an ice cube in my mouth and I got it stuck in my throat so I couldn't breath, by pure accident it happened right outside the home of a doctor that noticed it and quickly manage to lift me in the air by the feet and slam me on the back so it got loose. Had he not been there at the very moment or had it happened somewhere else, I probably would have died there as well.

    Yet, I have never even considered that God had a hand in it and made sure that I didn't die, despite it being easy to jump to such conclusions, but the way I see it is that if God had something to do with it, then I wouldn't have been in such situations in the first place. So I think things like these makes it impossible to use in regards to whether or not one should believe that God intervene or not. Always simply seen it as being lucky that it didn't ended badly. But I can understand why people would think that some divine force intervened in similar situations, but honestly looking at how many times these things go wrong or end badly, I personally think its wishful thinking.
     
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    That's bad luck.
     
  17. Unveiled Artist

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    Bad luck that different religions have different definitions of God?
     
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    The one true God is no doubt pissed.
     
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    Father always was a direct manifested human body owner in gods heavens.
    Mother always was a direct manifested human body owner in gods heavens.

    First. Taught you were owner of a direct human life after the garden nature. Human owned only.

    Man adult is rationally a human father.

    In science theory not acting as a human father protecting human life. Chose reactive heavenly science. Theories direct by human thinking.

    Self evident.

    Our water mass tree oxygenation microbial food owner in water got taken away and sacrificed.

    A direct human science satanic cause.

    Manifested the human spirit body records. Cause and effect.

    Is likened to a human living two forms.

    As a recorded body. Not organic.

    As an organic body who died and converted into a variant body.

    Have had Multi physical proven interactions how I was taught why it existed.

    As virtually our life was split into an unnatural form and bio form who only personally is living by human sex.

    Heavenly spirit exists because humans designed conversion taking our life water into a changed life status.

    We told ourselves it was science caused. To be recorded and remain in and with the heavenly body.

    We know it is real as a large human experience proved it does exist.

    However it is not science. Science however for a human reason wants it. Maybe you want it given back.

    Why we know by evidence that science sacrificed a portion of natural being.
     
  20. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    I was an atheist who did not think religion or God was worth even thinking about. I had a spiritual awakening. I also have some friends who had the same experience.

    I experienced that there was something beyond ordinary material existence that some call "God". Some experience that "something" in nature.

    Part of your question is why people react so differently to a similar experience. I don't have an easy answer to that.
     
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