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Featured Morality: Do you agree

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Nimos, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:46 AM.

  1. Trailblazer

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    Religious people do bad things because they don't follow the laws of God.
     
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    I would strongly disagree. To have a 'hand' requires there already be a lot of order. So that does not explain the existence of order.

    Instead, having order and structure as an inherent part of things is much more reasonable in my estimate.
     
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    Please don't dictate what an atheist does or doesn't believe it really quite immoral to paint your views on another person, particularly when it seems you know very little about atheism.
     
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    So what about all the immoral and amoral laws?
     
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    That is truth ... that depends on how much the one who claims to worship Him really respects God. Some of us take biblical principles very seriously, like we, Jehovah's witnesses.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    Well, you are just you.

    Some millionaires are devoting a great part of their fortunes to discover a way to prolong life. And most people get very happy when they listen some news about it. :)
     
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    pfft are you being prickly because you have evidence to the contrary or because you wish to put your head in the sand and ignore the "lit firecracker" in your back pocket?

    The point remains...atheists cannot deny they know of God. I will challenge anyone to go throughout their local community and run a survey...even in non Christian countries...by far the majority of individuals know exactly how to define God.
     
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    From the definition of the words "moral" and "immoral".

    Moral = that which increases well-being / decreases suffering
    immoral = that which does the opposite
    amoral = that which does neither.


    It's not hard.
    From there, moral reasoning can be done in pretty objective fashion.
    Meaning that there are right and wrong answers to moral questions.
    No god required. In fact..... "divine command theory" isn't morality at all. It's just mere obedience to perceived authority.

    How it affects the well-being and suffering of sentient creatures.

    If you are going to disagree that morality pertains to well-being of sentient creatures, then I don't know what you are referring to when you use the term.
     
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    I certainly would not want to live on earth forever, but nobody is going to live on earth forever, whether they *want* to or not.
     
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    We only knows one planet like ours, and it is our planet. That is enough to me; I am a very realistic person; not one who like to argue about things so easy to realize.
     
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    So? What does that have to do with anything?

    Worse.
     
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    Well-being and suffering and how they are affected by the act in question.
     
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    I disagree. First, nudity does not automatically imply anything sexual. It has nothing to do with corrupting children. If anything, it helps them to be more comfortable with their bodies and to be happier and healthier their whole lives.

    Yes, those that abuse children should be condemned. But I see religion as being more abusive than nudity.

    I call garbage. Sexually transmitted diseases do not lead to the extinction of societies, even at their worst. And, in modern times, we have learned how to treat many of those diseases (like we have others).

    And part of the innocence of children is that they see nothing wrong with nudity. Again, nudity in no way implies sexuality.

    Yes, please condemn those that abuse children. You will find far more religious perpetrators than non-religious ones for these crimes.
     
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    I know.
    The result is much immorality that JW see as pious and moral.

    That's the tragedy.
     
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    "pfft" well that eas expected

    I know there is no god, so how can i know what doesn't exist.

    Challenge accepted every person i know who believes in god will describe god differently, its one of the reasons (there are many others) why i say there is no gof
     
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    Well, we see a sense of fairness in some species of monkeys. We see social structures in some species of apes. We see guilt for behavior in many species.

    Social animals have rules of conduct that are appropriate for their species. They have evolved to get along based on their biology. So have we.
     
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    That was part of an answer that I did not complete. It has to do with and old post about discovering things without knowing the why they exist ...
    I disagree. :)
     
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    Why?
     
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    Worse in many objective ways. From infant mortality, to the chance of dying by violence, we are *by far* better off now than almost any time in history.
     
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